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sell a few things well you got the sell

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Chris well we have the disclosure

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UFO Congress this year and we're gonna

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have a viewing of it and hopefully we'll

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do well there's quite quite a bit of

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competition but we feel that we have

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probably the the best treatment of the

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disclosure subject that I've seen and

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heard of on DVD so of course you can get

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and check for the banner at the para

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professional stuff I've seen some of it

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seen some of them professional video

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production of which of course Chris is a

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not this amateurish stuff taken with a

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mobile phone or something this is really

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heavy now stuff really is well it's it's

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a five DVD set it was distilled down

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documentary that standalone that

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think a lot of our listeners know I I'm

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government ever disclosing anything

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the rare few dissenting voices in the

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very concise manner did any of this

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really change your mind

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no it just solidified in my mind my my

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thinking about the whole whole thing how

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they've been lying to you for 60 years

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behind though and how can you believe

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that the government is incompetent

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everyone who works for the government is

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incompetent therefore why believe them

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exactly speaking of trying to unearth

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the truth I had an editorial this past

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remember it's free so if you subscribe

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so I'm writing that stuff and nobody's

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money to fund UFO research and I pointed

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out an interesting fact here and I'll

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give you a comparison

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there's an old application for doing

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digital artwork called freehand and they

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complicated I won't get into it here

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we've talked about it on the tech show

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the tech night our life they were able

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to sign up within weeks 4700 people many

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of them have given donations to try to

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fund efforts to bring back this program

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now we have the UFO mystery probably if

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UFOs are real the greatest mystery of

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our time contact with aliens contact

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with people from other dimensions an

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amazing mystery with amazing

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implications but we have one of our

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premier UFO investigative outfits mutual

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UFO network can only get 2,700 people to

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join after being in business since the

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what am I missing here Chris well we're

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to a new paradigm that doesn't include

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getting 70 something's together in a big

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room flying them in from all over the

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the country well then having them sit in

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the hard chairs in a in a conference

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hall I think we're seeing the future of

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ufology shifting to the Internet and

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just to give you an example I'll be on

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internet chat based conference in early

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March and I'll be one of the presenters

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at a virtual UFO convention basically

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and I think we're gonna see more and

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more of this as we lose our you know 50s

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tech savvy and I think that they're

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going to be expecting the the field of

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ufology to to progress and morph into

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this new high-tech age and you know

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we're right in a in a real crucial

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transition point right now in the field

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though they do survey an investigative

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with MUFON you look at the picture where

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they had a changeover of leadership to a

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Club meeting and this is 2012 if you

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Rotary Club in 1969 sorry you gotta

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update it's not just having a Facebook

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presence it's not just a Twitter account

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we have a Twitter account the power cast

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okay you gotta know what to do with it

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you've gotta know how to get the young

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people involved because if you get them

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involved your membership will quadruple

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overnight and they've got to figure out

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I can't give them all the answers I'm an

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old codger chris is a younger codger but

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their board who's 20-something and is

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what's gonna happen we'll get into more

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this guy's background I'm gonna ask him

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about his history as a script doctor and

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technical adviser to such films as

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Logan's Run and poltergeist but tell us

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he's been in this in this field for 40

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that go beyond the actual

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into the realm of hauntings paranormal

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investigations UFOs and he's he's quite

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quite an engaging thinker very

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open-minded extremely a grounded in real

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hard science and I this is such a

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credentials and with the background the

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doctor tap house and this is going to be

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the para cast he's he's very

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inspirational and very educational and I

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enjoy today's show if you have a comment

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or a question about the power cast write

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us news at the power cast calm once

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again that's new was at the para casts

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calm dr. Barry Taff joining gene and

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Chris and as always once and forever

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who has a new book out by the way called

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aliens above ghosts below explorations

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of the unknown we're gonna talk about

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that later but looking at your vas

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biography dr. Taff I noticed you were a

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technical adviser or script doctor for

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some very popular films and I guess I'm

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gonna ask you which function you served

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on them and we'll go into this very

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briefly get into the air stuff okay

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poltergeist

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now I remember one thing from

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poltergeist other than tobe Hooper was

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director and was produced by Steven

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Spielberg and that is the little girl

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looks at the TV set and says they're

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here right which I still use on my

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technology radio show yeah I have him

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come after me so that's how it goes what

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function did you serve on that film well

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first of all before we get into

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specifics when we were shooting the

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entity they were shooting poltergeist at

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the same studio on the same lock at the

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same time we were on one started a

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little narrow row they were on the other

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they were seeing our daily so they redid

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the entire movie to make it look more

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like the entity our film came out in 83

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their film came out in 82 now I don't

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know what the original bully was but

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what it turned into is we all remember

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is there is beatrice straight as the

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parapsychologist and two male associates

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one black one white guy and the white

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guy was supposed to be me dark hair

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glasses and a ruddy complexion

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whose face rocked in the mirror and one

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of this it gets bitten in the side he

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leaves the house that character was

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supposed to be me when the film was

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being made I don't know if you remember

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this in the movie there's a scene in the

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third act I believe where Jobeth

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Williams after she takes a bath she's

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combing her hair on her bed and then

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looks like somebody's gonna rape her and

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she's pushed upon the walls of the

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ceiling

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but what we heard they shot a rape

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sequence with her and they were

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obviously concerned that if they put

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that in the movie that they'd be sued

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because it would have been an

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infringement normally the film was

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totally fiction they based the character

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I forgot the temperature character's

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name in poltergeist but the guy with the

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dark hair and the ruddy complexion with

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the glasses was supposed to be me so you

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lost sin on the role

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what about actor the whole point of it

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is we were pretty well known at the time

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I colleague and I and so they tailored

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poltergeist to appear more like the

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entity it came out a year in advance of

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the entity and people thought it was the

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entity then the entity came out and

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every well what's the difference so I

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mean they interviewed us the executives

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not Spielberg other people connected

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with the movie long before the movie was

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made and and then it was made and they

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changed a lot of things and so I was

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involved as a consultant even though we

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didn't get our names on it well that's

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the way movies are you know they you see

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a movie that has one plot or one idea

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and by the time the thing gets released

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you have the people playing with a

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script and it becomes something else and

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the more something else is it becomes

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the worse the movie is sometimes movies

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seem to adhere to the original vision

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looks like too many cooks spoil the

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broth because they all start adding

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different seasonings and you're done you

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don't even know what you've got and I

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saw a work print a poltergeist before it

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came out and screening at MGM in 82 and

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it was entertaining it was very well

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made and a little silly of course and

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had not almost nothing to do except for

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the first act very little in the movie I

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didn't to do with poltergeist it was a

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mishmash of everything in horror and

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fantasy and sci-fi and but it was

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well-made it was a good entertaining

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movie and I enjoyed it for what it was

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it didn't scare me I just thought it was

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a little over the top but that's me

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now Logan's Run Logan's Run Logan's Run

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is a really good science fiction film

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right especially with Jenny Agutter

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she was the best thing in the film the

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female they had problems with the script

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and then I came in in terms of script

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doctor to help punch him stuff up but I

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also came in the holography you see in

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the movie I was working with a

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holography studio here in Los Angeles

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and they brought in me and the people I

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referred them to so I was involved with

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that but if they paid me a lot of money

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to do nothing so who cares hey that's a

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great deal if you can get one exactly

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really you should give workshops I'll

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sign up exactly I'm ready for that your

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background is incredible you have been

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involved in parapsychology for so many

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years but what attracted you to this

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field of study well meant two things one

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is curiosity just out of pure very

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curious person scientific curiosity but

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the main thrust of Mont wood got me into

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this world my experiences growing up

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apparently I was when I was growing up I

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was having a lot of extraordinary

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experiences that my friends and family

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were not psychic paranormal precognitive

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telepathic clairvoyant and I thought

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everyone had these sort of experiences

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and I learned later well they may but

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they're not aware of them or they don't

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have them and they had to reach a

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conclusion early on either I'm crazy

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everyone else is crazy or something that

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story's going on I chose the latter

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getting example right there like for

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example when I was like in grammar

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school I was with the fifth grade you're

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ten years old I remember I was on the

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courtyard play at recess playing some

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silly game this little girl named

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Christine is walking towards me

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blue-eyed blonde girl and I'm looking at

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her and it came on what I mean by came

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in it's sort of like x-ray vision I'm

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looking at her and I suddenly see on her

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right side there's a tube going into her

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body and there's a plastic bag under her

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dress and I want what's that so on up to

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her and I asked her what's that weird

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plastic bag and tube on in your body and

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she freaked out and got the teacher they

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grew up with the principal's office well

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it turns out that Christine had a

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colostomy I'm ten years old and even

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know what the word meant I have no idea

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all I know is what I saw the principal

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said did you sneak in the girls bathroom

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would you look under a dress I said I

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didn't either it's like you know

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Superman they go like Superman I like

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x-ray vision but it's in taller anyway

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oh and he thought I was flying or nuts

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and I looked at him is you've got that

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word appendix car that's always purple

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and I said I know I would call it a

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keloid now then I didn't know the term

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and he turned purple then he called my

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parents and they said what did what's

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going on and he said don't ask and so

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that's that's the type of thing that got

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me into this it was happen to me all the

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time move forward decade a couple

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decades about a decade and I was still

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having as his friend - so wrote dr.

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Thelma Moss

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UCLA she had a laboratory in the

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neuropsychiatric Institute I read about

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her knew about her wrote her a letter

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nothing called her never called back I

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didn't write her another level letter

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never heard from him so then one of her

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graduate students I met independently of

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her and I went to meet Salma in her home

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in Beverly Hills as is in the spring of

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1989 and then I 1969 excuse me and we

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were talking and then she threw mierqi

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knees just a comet rise which I could do

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then and now and I'm holding the keys

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and I described some things people and

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events and names and I said I see a fat

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blonde woman with blue eyes she's really

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obnoxious gonna loud voice named Shelly

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well Selma's best friend was Shelly

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winters the actress and that was an

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accurate if if unflattering description

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of her at the time and picked up some

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other things okay so Thelma did a study

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on me starting in the fall of 69 and

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which was published in the mid 70s in a

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medical journal as I thought the study

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is a sidekick okay so you're psychic

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great well what is it how does it work

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what does it work in you and not your

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friends or family why are you the one

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talking here about somebody who appeared

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on a Star Trek episode right he was a

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man by the name of Paul Moss he was a

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producer and an actor and he was in the

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episode called conscience of the king he

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played Koto's the executioner oh yes

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that was one of my favorite episode yeah

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with Barbara who would ended up being in

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the series with Raymond Burr Ironside

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she was in that episode as a very a lot

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of their shows were great anyway long

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story short Selma's husband died shortly

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thereafter tamo went back to school that

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sound like it started out as an actress

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and became a writer and she wrote a

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movie called the Colossus in New York

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came out in the 50s during Otto Krueger

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and Ross Martin which had a paranormal

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element to it strangely enough and then

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her husband died after she had their two

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kids and she went back to school got her

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PhD and became a clinical psychologist

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started doing research at UCLA and I met

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her and the rest is history and so when

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I was in the lab I was studied but then

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I began doing my own research and my

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research was in telepathy and

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precognition in the lab I ended up

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developing what later became known as

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remote viewing the protocols and

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methodologies for that and we were

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visited by government group intelligence

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in military intelligence groups CIA NSA

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dia O&I DARPA and we didn't do the work

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there because UCLA wouldn't put their

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name on the application they didn't want

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to get involved it was too politically

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insensitive even today it would be

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politically sensitive probably even more

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so do UCLA went up to Stanford Research

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Institute would put off and argh

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and doctor had may ran the program and

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doctor a general Stubblebine and but

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anyway the work we did was an

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interesting in the lab but what really

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got me going was to work in the field

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since 1968 I've investigated over 4,500

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cases of hauntings and poltergeists and

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doppelgangers and things like that and

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most of them begin and end with one

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interview you go out to interview the

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person and

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the more of an analogy is like going to

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the airport with a camcorder it happened

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to get a plane crashing it happens but

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it's very rare the chances people

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encounter in Xiamen when they're out in

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the field on a regular basis of the

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times in a row 100 million dollar level

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it just doesn't work like they tell it's

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a ghost owners exactly well that

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remember if the paranormal reality shows

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followed if they were stuck to reality

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there'd be no show let me think about

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this you have a logistics problem you're

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a producer on one of these shows

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something's got to happen you can't have

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dead air for 40 to 43 minutes out of

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every hour if you won't work if you do

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your ratings will be as remote as

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catching a ghost on video would and so

741
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it would be even more remote than remote

742
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feeling would be right right you would

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have to either you have to either fake

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it which a lot of the shows do they just

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lie or you populate the show with really

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colorful whacked-out people who

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generated more interest than the ghost

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there at searching wood or they people

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that embellish and exaggerate what might

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occur could occur into making it appear

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more relevant than it is and I would

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want to be producing these shows because

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well they approached me or the first

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shows I've been approached by most them

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and I said well I am NOT gonna lie for

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you well I got no I'm not lying

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I mean if you want me to leave a lie how

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many millions you pay me and what house

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and car you buy me we're not gonna pay

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you what so I'm gonna go online throw my

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career away for well you'll be in

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television I said when you people stop

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smoking whatever it is you're smoking

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and drinking call me you know every year

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I get calls to detect I was asked to be

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on a show couple weeks ago it's on

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network I won't name the network they're

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all garbage they sent me a contract

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where they said they could libel me

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slander me defame a discredit me

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humiliated embarrassed distort

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misrepresent and I can't do anything

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about

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that's an attainment yes I will say the

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company's name its raw entertainment or

776
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raw TV you know I definitely but Ross

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something yeah well garbage and I said

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that would you sign this well this is

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what's the problem with this contract

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what's the problem with it you people

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are insane

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so they offered me for doing the show

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$750 I said well I talked for myself so

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they put four zeros after that I

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couldn't consider it I'd change my name

786
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and disappear but that's I didn't I

787
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didn't do that

788
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but they also have enough people who

789
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would go on TV for nothing now Chris has

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a story where he went on that UFO

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Hunters TV show and they just destroyed

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what he was talking about he's talking

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about strange events in one state and

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they move them to another state yeah

795
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that's the reality Chandra I mean people

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if people think these shows are real

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they should wake up these shows are

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carefully choreographed and scripted

799
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because their job is to entertain people

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that don't know any better

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00:32:00,129 --> 00:31:57,409
that's who with all reality shows that's

802
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the whole point right right and so what

803
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this show wanted me to do their show

804
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:03,830
it's paranormal witness I wouldn't sign

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the contract nor would jeff wheatcraft

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they wanted to work on the San Pedro

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case and I just said so let me get this

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straight

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even if the check you all gives me

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bounces I can't see you because it says

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I can't see you for any reason at all so

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if you breach the contract I'm less than

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an you lying claim I'm a drug addict or

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I'm an alcoholic or I'm out of my mind

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there's nothing I can do well yeah

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that's right I said well goodbye and

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they kept bugging me I said no will

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amend our agreement and exactly what

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other producers got back to me to

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supervising producer we can't do that I

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said then I can't work with you so they

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shot the show with my old colleague and

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Jackie Hernandez and other people but

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jeff wheatcraft and i refused to

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participate for very obvious reasons and

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I said so you got a gun in my head you

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pull the hammer back you the hammer

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and then you got your finger on the

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trigger you want a sign no thank you

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so I mean I told them I don't like what

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they're doing there I showed it to my

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agent and my manager and they all went

833
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,129
what is this a joke I said no it's very

834
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real so let him do a show without me I'm

835
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not gonna I was worried they would try

836
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to set me up because over the years I've

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said I've said some pretty nasty things

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about the entire genre and everyone

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knows pretty much whatever who and what

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I'm referring to and I think they'd love

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to get back at me it's somehow discredit

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me or defame me or lie about me on their

843
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show to make me look bad on their

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network now going back though to your

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career as a script doctor and technical

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adviser those are older films do I take

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it then that nobody's asking you anymore

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no it's karate correct I haven't worked

849
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on a movie in a long long time remember

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the movies now or I mean let's still

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good paranormal activity I saw the first

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one and when it

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came out not in defeat I guess a friend

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got a screen and I watched it almost

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took me to sleep and last after the

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third act something happens okay great

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I met the producer of the movie I got

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last year he said what do you think I

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said well I was waiting for the

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attractive brunette to take her clothes

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off to go to bed but she slept in her

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clothes so it was really boring and I

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said it was very predictable it was

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stupid and I said you know I it's like

865
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The Blair Witch well you know they have

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this TV show that came on the ABC

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network called the river which is

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produced by the same people who produce

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paranormal activity it's not the same

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thing where you've got all this handheld

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camcorder kind of stuff and it was awful

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I watched about a half-hour of it and I

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gave up and I noticed the ratings were

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okay the first week and then tanked they

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dry yeah well I mean it's unfortunately

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there the demographics they're shooting

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for 12 to 30 or not even that I rather

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not insult people who were 12 to 30

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because I have a 26 year old son right

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it's the whole thing is pathetic oh I

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watched falling skies the first episode

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I turned it off halfway through because

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it was so boring it was better though it

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was you know I watched Terra Nova the

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first episode and most I was bored bored

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to tears it was the same thing we've

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seen before nothing new and I think

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they're just regurgitating a lot of old

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themes rather than try something new

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let's try what's worked before with new

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faces and someone's screaming the

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Camerons jumping around and you know

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it's just I when I grew up I watched a

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lot of television I mean there was

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Twilight Zone there was out of limits

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there was Star Trek there was Alfred

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Hitchcock Presents that was thriller

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I mean Playhouse 90 is a really great

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television for me if I was a kid now I'd

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be bored silly I would be absolutely

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bored silly it just it's it's horrible

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it's I mean it's you know the irony is

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we have all these channels and there's

904
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still nothing to watch for me the

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History Channel Discovery Channel

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interesting but most of the stuff that I

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mean I grew up the sitcoms I grew up

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with I used to love all the family

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because it was provocative and it made

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us think about how messed up we are

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socially I used to look cheers in

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Seinfeld but I don't watch a lot of

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television anymore because it's just

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boring

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yeah

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my pain pill well you know of course

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what they've done is they've perfected

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the technology of making these films and

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they get some pretty good performers I

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mean you have Oscar winners coming to TV

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to do segments to do shows but very few

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shows are worth watching and I look at

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the sitcoms you have the bests it comes

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out there and people gonna you know send

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me nasty letters now but I don't really

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care but you look at these sitcoms these

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days and it'll make you laugh where's

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the funny stuff I mean I could still

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look and I Love Lucy from 1950s and

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laugh and I hear my wife laughing at

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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that George Noory

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with gene and Chris on the para cast

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with dr. Barry Taff and he's had a

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storied career I mean incredible

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parapsychologist worked on TV script

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doctor all that kind of stuff worked for

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the government and I want to talk to you

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about this here your bio and we have a

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lot of questions by way from listeners

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but yeah your bio says that you

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consulted for the government business

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and law enforcement the government

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Central Intelligence Agency is this a

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need-to-know answer or what yeah I can't

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talk about what I did correct

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okay we do all I could says the work I

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did for the government for the

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intelligence community dealt with what

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was called remote viewing I can't go to

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any I can't discuss anything beyond that

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or Isis I'd national Security's groups

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and I made the foolhardy statements we

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UCLA and it almost became two came back

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to bite me because I a little too open

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about what we were doing and I got some

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very nasty responses and thank God the

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daily berlin published some retractions

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so they made errors in the article

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anyway but most of what we did is

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classify most of what you're reading

1076
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:27,050
about if read about in the books that

1077
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,500
have been published by the

1078
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:32,240
the people that did the actual work is

1079
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:34,280
very sanitized and a lot of the really

1080
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:36,530
relevant information will not never be

1081
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:37,910
declassified because of what it gets

1082
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:40,100
into and that's what we came in and all

1083
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:41,240
I could say is I work for these

1084
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,310
different groups and agencies and I

1085
00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:45,440
can't go into it beyond that are they

1086
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:48,080
still doing it yes and no yes

1087
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:51,710
exploratory no in the sense that we're

1088
00:42:55,390 --> 00:42:53,690
all weak things we learn we still don't

1089
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:55,400
know anything there's more questions

1090
00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:56,390
than answers

1091
00:42:59,800 --> 00:42:58,460
if it worked out well the world would be

1092
00:43:02,350 --> 00:42:59,810
a lot different because we'd be ahead of

1093
00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:02,360
the curve we mean we know major events

1094
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:03,950
before they occur and we see what we

1095
00:43:08,290 --> 00:43:06,770
haven't gotten there yet there was a

1096
00:43:09,970 --> 00:43:08,300
great deal of skepticism within the

1097
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:09,980
military and the intelligence community

1098
00:43:14,260 --> 00:43:12,170
about this because a lot of they're very

1099
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:14,270
close-minded people and because there's

1100
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,190
no theory or model to explain its

1101
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:19,040
mechanisms or why it works why for all

1102
00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:21,860
too often fails they didn't want to deal

1103
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:23,360
with it it was a very kill button

1104
00:43:27,610 --> 00:43:25,460
negative bias and prejudice against us

1105
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:27,620
and a lot of people get into this area

1106
00:43:31,780 --> 00:43:29,870
donut's they just they freak out they

1107
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:31,790
have emotional problems coping with

1108
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:33,950
these abilities it's sort of like waking

1109
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,890
up tomorrow being Superman or superwoman

1110
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:38,450
you know and you've got these abilities

1111
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:40,370
and you're not able to control them they

1112
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:43,550
pretty much happen and you might be able

1113
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:45,110
to make some of them occur but for the

1114
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:48,800
most part they're spontaneous and it

1115
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:50,300
could be very unnerving because you

1116
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:52,730
can't mediate what's coming into your

1117
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,350
head it sometimes comes in when you

1118
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:57,440
don't even want it well I know many had

1119
00:44:03,700 --> 00:43:59,570
an episode on remote viewing I'm the

1120
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:03,710
power cast back 2006-2007 I forget the

1121
00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:05,960
name of the reviewer the person who was

1122
00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:08,060
doing their remote viewing but we

1123
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:11,590
created a scenario with that person and

1124
00:44:17,590 --> 00:44:14,570
he did see something where he was

1125
00:44:20,590 --> 00:44:17,600
supposed to view some specific location

1126
00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:20,600
or object and it was a pretty compelling

1127
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:22,790
demonstration so obviously something is

1128
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:25,160
going on but the question I've had

1129
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:26,450
through the years about remote viewing

1130
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:31,010
is is it precise enough to be able to

1131
00:44:35,350 --> 00:44:33,140
depend upon it with reliable information

1132
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:35,360
and are you really seeing things that

1133
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:38,090
are happening then and there and other

1134
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:40,130
location are you looking into another

1135
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:42,350
dimension what's going on somebody I

1136
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:43,500
mean the

1137
00:44:48,350 --> 00:44:47,130
yes the information that comes out some

1138
00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:48,360
of the information that comes out of

1139
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:51,150
this process is extremely state specific

1140
00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:52,650
names dates places

1141
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:54,840
like you're there watching it with your

1142
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,510
own eyes and ears a lot of times it

1143
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:00,000
could be precognitive meaning before the

1144
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,650
events transpire you're seeing them as

1145
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:03,780
if they did that they watching them in

1146
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:07,980
real time and the problem is that even

1147
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,690
if you're able to see things before they

1148
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:11,460
occur can you intervene can there be an

1149
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:13,800
interdiction at a military level and

1150
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,380
from all that's the terrible things that

1151
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,420
have happened in the last 35 or 40 years

1152
00:45:22,610 --> 00:45:20,400
in the world community the you know

1153
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,620
there are terrible acts of violence and

1154
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,480
terror the fact that we've never been

1155
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:26,160
able to intervene for the most part

1156
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,410
prevent these heinous acts makes me

1157
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:30,480
wonder if anyone's paying attention to

1158
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:32,550
this or it's just a game but I can tell

1159
00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:35,130
you matter of fact that the amount of

1160
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:36,840
specificity could they could be applied

1161
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:38,850
with this data acquisition method is

1162
00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:41,940
extremely acute when we were being

1163
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:43,620
visited with by the intelligence groups

1164
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:46,200
in this early seventies at UCLA the data

1165
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:48,450
we demonstrated we we demonstrated what

1166
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:49,650
we could do for them and it kind of

1167
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:52,170
freaked them out and what we they were

1168
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:53,730
we were making they were making audio

1169
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:56,430
tapes of what we were doing and we some

1170
00:46:00,920 --> 00:45:58,260
of the data was so state specific in

1171
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:00,930
terms of yeah that some of the nation

1172
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:04,500
that we provided to them based on the

1173
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:06,450
target they gave us was so state

1174
00:46:10,610 --> 00:46:09,060
specific so a curated detail that they

1175
00:46:13,610 --> 00:46:10,620
wondered if their program was

1176
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:13,620
compromised in terms of its security I

1177
00:46:17,810 --> 00:46:15,780
kind of wonder here just trying to get

1178
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:17,820
appropriations for projects like that

1179
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:19,740
they have to pretty well close it in

1180
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:20,970
something else I mean you can't go to

1181
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:23,310
Congress and say okay we're gonna have

1182
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,950
32 million for remote viewing and

1183
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,020
they're gonna say what well remote

1184
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,240
viewing was a very poorly funded program

1185
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,920
to become the get-go was there was not a

1186
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:33,900
lot of money spent on to me given the

1187
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:36,170
type of money spent on military projects

1188
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:38,490
weapons project the money put in their

1189
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:40,590
mouth was like pennies and the pennies

1190
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:43,230
and nickels and dimes very low amount of

1191
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:45,180
money and in the end there's still

1192
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,130
scratch your head well okay how does it

1193
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:48,960
work what is their work and what is it

1194
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:50,460
telling us about the nature of space

1195
00:46:54,830 --> 00:46:52,770
time and consciousness and no one wants

1196
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:54,840
to deal with it I had someone on my show

1197
00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:57,180
about a month and a half two months ago

1198
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:58,710
I'm regarding will of you and it will

1199
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,880
give us name it everything was going

1200
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:02,160
well very articulate intelligent man

1201
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:05,010
like when I interviewed Chris last week

1202
00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:07,950
very funny smart very good and then I

1203
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,230
made it to asked him about a couple of

1204
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:13,440
things and he freaked because I realized

1205
00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:15,030
I touched on something that's still

1206
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:18,119
classified and he just changed the

1207
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:21,180
subject I asked him another element I

1208
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:22,559
wanted okay well one of the things I

1209
00:47:27,319 --> 00:47:24,839
said the first thing I said that this

1210
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,329
the data processing of the acquisition

1211
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:29,280
suggest a holographic distribution of

1212
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,900
information that everything is

1213
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:33,119
everywhere that he time and state the

1214
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:35,250
information of time and space is equal

1215
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,990
to distributed in all time in space

1216
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:39,240
meaning the past information is still

1217
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:41,220
available the futures information is

1218
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,900
already available and distant

1219
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:45,119
informations available elicit the Ola

1220
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:46,770
graphic and he didn't want to deal with

1221
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:49,079
that so he steered away okay so we're

1222
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:51,240
talking here about all these events are

1223
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:52,680
happening simultaneously

1224
00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:55,710
no no not the event the information

1225
00:48:01,849 --> 00:47:58,700
related to them coexist not the event

1226
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,859
explaining for okay when you're watching

1227
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:04,319
a DVD you're seeing the information

1228
00:48:08,539 --> 00:48:06,390
stored in that media you're not seeing

1229
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:08,549
the movie when it was made you've seen

1230
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:11,579
the information related to what was shot

1231
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,940
with film or video all we're doing is

1232
00:48:19,549 --> 00:48:17,280
accessing information were not accessing

1233
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,559
the event we're accessing the data

1234
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:22,640
related to it the information and

1235
00:48:29,539 --> 00:48:25,170
information does not no bounds of space

1236
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:29,549
or time again the past information is

1237
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:31,650
still available the futures information

1238
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,660
is already available does that imply

1239
00:48:39,289 --> 00:48:36,720
then being preordained that whatever is

1240
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:39,299
gonna happen is already set down in

1241
00:48:43,299 --> 00:48:40,859
stone somewhere as if there's some

1242
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:43,309
gigantic computer that stores everything

1243
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:46,440
there comes the rub this is the problem

1244
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:49,020
if the information that makes up space

1245
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:50,569
time is equally distributed and

1246
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:52,890
accessible through consciousness at some

1247
00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:56,160
level by our brains our minds then is

1248
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,380
the future already there do we do we in

1249
00:49:03,859 --> 00:49:00,839
fact have free well is or is it

1250
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:03,869
deterministic is it fatalistic you know

1251
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,790
there's a great line a film that altered

1252
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:07,500
my life when I was a kid the original

1253
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:10,290
Time Machine from 1960 gray line Rod

1254
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:11,070
Taylor says

1255
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,290
that's the George pal movie yeah right

1256
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:16,160
and wasn't Haller young the guy from

1257
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:20,250
from your Esther n play his Irish

1258
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:23,640
spaniel in mr. Kildee yes it's a great

1259
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:25,530
line in the first act where they're

1260
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:27,210
talking and they see a demonstration and

1261
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:29,160
little time machine and and Sebastian

1262
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:30,480
Cabot is going on well the viewers

1263
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:31,890
already there it's a rubber cool cannot

1264
00:49:36,590 --> 00:49:34,620
be trained and Rod Taylor turns as he

1265
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,600
playing George it flows to the HQ Wells

1266
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,940
and says you know that's the most

1267
00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:40,680
important question to which I hope to

1268
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:42,870
find an answer can man control his

1269
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,760
destiny can you change the shape of

1270
00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:47,520
things to come and there that is

1271
00:49:52,820 --> 00:49:50,430
probably the most profound thing that

1272
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:52,830
deals with the human condition are we

1273
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:54,840
living out a drama which were actors in

1274
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:57,300
a play we can't alter or is there free

1275
00:50:01,310 --> 00:49:58,950
well originated this is the best of both

1276
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:01,320
worlds and in my book I get into this

1277
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:03,450
I'm not on nauseam but enough where I

1278
00:50:08,540 --> 00:50:06,270
present a perspective where it is

1279
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:08,550
predestined to a certain degree in

1280
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:10,740
another level there is free will at the

1281
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:13,020
level we're living at it consciously

1282
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:14,730
from day to day or unconsciously from

1283
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,560
day to day there is true well this we

1284
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:17,520
don't know what we're gonna do till we

1285
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,040
do it at another level and it more

1286
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,040
grandiose Gestalt level there may not be

1287
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:24,960
free will it's like you're in a pool

1288
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:27,300
bouncing around random Brownian motion

1289
00:50:31,610 --> 00:50:29,730
of water molecules Oh looks fun you pull

1290
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,620
back farther oh it's not a pool you're

1291
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:33,900
in a giant glass the water must conform

1292
00:50:37,580 --> 00:50:35,880
to the shape of the glass it made me

1293
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:37,590
something like that the perspective

1294
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:40,200
determines the reality from our

1295
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:42,540
perspective it all seems random when we

1296
00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:44,430
did the recent precognitive remote

1297
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:46,830
viewing at UCLA and this is in my book

1298
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,710
some of the results were so disturbing

1299
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:51,180
that a lot of our regulars walked away

1300
00:50:55,460 --> 00:50:53,130
from the program they couldn't deal with

1301
00:50:59,300 --> 00:50:55,470
it because it painted a picture of the

1302
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:59,310
future of reality they didn't like the

1303
00:51:02,530 --> 00:51:00,900
reality you have to wonder about I mean

1304
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:02,540
if I knew what was going to happen next

1305
00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:05,760
week well certainly we can either profit

1306
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:08,190
from it we can either learn from it we

1307
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:10,110
can cope with it and of course you have

1308
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:12,750
these movies which are fatalistic in the

1309
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:15,720
sense that someone tries to change the

1310
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:19,590
future and no matter what they do the

1311
00:51:24,590 --> 00:51:22,590
future always ends up playing out the

1312
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,600
way it's expected to play out this

1313
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,960
is gonna play out we have dr. Barry Taff

1314
00:51:31,390 --> 00:51:29,400
joining gene and Chris you're in the

1315
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:31,400
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1316
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:41,900
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1317
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:45,119
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1318
00:51:51,620 --> 00:51:50,130
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1319
00:51:53,779 --> 00:51:51,630
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1320
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:53,789
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1321
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,010
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1329
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:15,990
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1330
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,260
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1331
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:20,880
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1332
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:22,980
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1333
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:24,599
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1334
00:52:26,779 --> 00:52:26,339
a private bank having a led back at

1335
00:52:28,579 --> 00:52:26,789
interest

1336
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:28,589
forcing taxes to surfaced at this

1337
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:30,420
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1338
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:31,890
stating a central bank issuing the

1339
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:33,510
public currency is a greater menace to

1340
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:34,650
the liberties of the people than a

1341
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,029
standing army today understand I'm

1342
00:52:39,259 --> 00:52:37,440
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1343
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:39,269
that explains our monetary system call

1344
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:41,010
for your copy eight hundred six eight

1345
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:42,839
six two two three seven it's time to

1346
00:52:49,210 --> 00:52:45,930
understand the system call 866 to 237

1347
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:49,220
that's 800 686 to 237

1348
00:53:03,330 --> 00:52:59,020
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1349
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:03,340
standard of paranormal radio and now

1350
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,640
here's Jane Steinberg this brings the

1351
00:53:14,980 --> 00:53:12,800
second hour up of the para cast with

1352
00:53:17,950 --> 00:53:14,990
Gina and Chris and dr. Barry Taff an

1353
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:17,960
experienced para psychologist joining us

1354
00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:20,180
we have a bunch of questions from our

1355
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:23,030
listeners about Barry in fact so many

1356
00:53:26,859 --> 00:53:24,650
questions I think one person asked

1357
00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:26,869
enough questions to fill the show maybe

1358
00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:29,960
before we progress because his interests

1359
00:53:34,089 --> 00:53:31,880
are so wide-ranging and he'll be back in

1360
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:34,099
the future for further answers and

1361
00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:36,770
wisdom maybe we'll have Chris look into

1362
00:53:40,359 --> 00:53:38,270
some of those questions and ask them

1363
00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:40,369
right now well I do have a question that

1364
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:42,140
kind of dovetails nicely buried with

1365
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:43,670
what we've been talking about this comes

1366
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:45,020
from poll to worst who's one of our

1367
00:53:51,609 --> 00:53:48,290
fairly long time posters at forum dr.

1368
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:51,619
Perik asked calm him he's interested

1369
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:53,510
he's the one that wrote out there's

1370
00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:55,460
probably 20 questions here if not more

1371
00:54:00,510 --> 00:53:58,070
but I think this one's a good one to ask

1372
00:54:02,530 --> 00:54:00,520
right now is there some degree of

1373
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:02,540
interdisciplinary exchange with the

1374
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:04,520
researchers in these fields of study

1375
00:54:09,010 --> 00:54:06,380
maybe even with more mainstream

1376
00:54:11,170 --> 00:54:09,020
physicists who are now talking about

1377
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:11,180
things like dark matter and you know

1378
00:54:15,339 --> 00:54:13,250
additional dimensions spooky action at a

1379
00:54:18,430 --> 00:54:15,349
distance and other unseen or intangible

1380
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:18,440
things while most of them still maintain

1381
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:19,730
that there is nothing to psychic

1382
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:22,640
research or parapsychology are we seeing

1383
00:54:27,970 --> 00:54:25,369
a shift in in mainstream science in

1384
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:27,980
relation to your work dean radin others

1385
00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:31,210
Rupert Sheldrake I don't see any shift

1386
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:34,190
when you start talking about the quantum

1387
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:37,849
elements and no I I don't because again

1388
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,770
here's the problem is we're still

1389
00:54:44,290 --> 00:54:41,119
looking at the world in a very

1390
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:44,300
three-dimensional way and the evidence

1391
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:46,609
suggests that the nature of this

1392
00:54:51,070 --> 00:54:48,920
phenomena whether it's accessing

1393
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:51,080
information psychically or what

1394
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:53,210
witnessing psychokinetic manifestations

1395
00:54:57,579 --> 00:54:55,390
there's another force at work here

1396
00:55:00,099 --> 00:54:57,589
everything in the universe we know of

1397
00:55:02,020 --> 00:55:00,109
all energy forms are exothermic when

1398
00:55:03,849 --> 00:55:02,030
they do work they produce heat whenever

1399
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:03,859
this force of nature is that allows

1400
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:05,420
these things to happen or makes them

1401
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:07,700
happen is not as a thermos it's very

1402
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:08,270
likely

1403
00:55:12,130 --> 00:55:09,890
no thermic which means it's not

1404
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:12,140
electromagnetic it's not nuclear and

1405
00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:13,790
it's not gravitational as we know it

1406
00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:15,140
that mean there's something else out

1407
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:16,940
there we don't even have machines to

1408
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:18,290
measure it because we don't know what it

1409
00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:20,510
is it's if we're measuring the effect of

1410
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:23,000
an unknown cause we're like seeing the

1411
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:24,890
wake of both produces but we're not even

1412
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:27,410
aware of the boat this is a problem that

1413
00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:29,210
every time we learn something it

1414
00:55:33,580 --> 00:55:31,340
generates 20 more questions and we know

1415
00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:33,590
that space and time has little effect on

1416
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,940
these things when I was interviewing

1417
00:55:39,790 --> 00:55:37,040
this academician several months ago

1418
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:39,800
about remote viewing and I talked about

1419
00:55:44,830 --> 00:55:42,310
remote influence he freaked because

1420
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:44,840
that's still a class I suspect it's

1421
00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:47,030
still a classified aspect well if you

1422
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:48,680
can see things at a distance which has

1423
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:51,530
been pretty well established it's valid

1424
00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:54,740
and real can you affect them it just the

1425
00:56:00,010 --> 00:55:57,380
answer is yes but not as reliably as you

1426
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:00,020
can seem something is easier then

1427
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,330
changed and moving it why we don't know

1428
00:56:07,630 --> 00:56:04,720
but we acted the basics of the question

1429
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:07,640
the physics the most advanced physics

1430
00:56:12,610 --> 00:56:11,270
still don't reconcile the fact that how

1431
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:12,620
could you see the future before it

1432
00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:15,470
occurs well in my book I talk about one

1433
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:17,630
of the first precognitive remote viewing

1434
00:56:22,570 --> 00:56:20,090
sessions we did we got the current book

1435
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:22,580
turn yes in your book is the one that's

1436
00:56:28,090 --> 00:56:25,790
aliens above us right in my book I talk

1437
00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:28,100
about the first remote viewing event we

1438
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:29,900
try we got sick of the real-time stuff

1439
00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:31,970
it was boring you know been there done

1440
00:56:36,490 --> 00:56:34,670
that okay it works so we decided one

1441
00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:36,500
Wednesday evening we were going to move

1442
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:38,660
forward at a time in our minds to the

1443
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:41,090
next Wednesday evening and described the

1444
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:42,830
first target that would be randomly

1445
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:45,920
selected so we turn lights off for an

1446
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:47,450
essentially deprived environment and

1447
00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:48,890
headphones on mics we don't know what

1448
00:56:53,260 --> 00:56:50,750
each other is saying and we're all just

1449
00:56:54,850 --> 00:56:53,270
describing once we imagine we're weak

1450
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:54,860
for words in our mind or take ourselves

1451
00:56:59,140 --> 00:56:57,620
there mentally we see a tall blonde

1452
00:57:03,640 --> 00:56:59,150
woman dress very professionally in a

1453
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:03,650
beige like beautiful suit and she sitted

1454
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:05,690
seated in one of the 24 chairs in the

1455
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:08,810
room and we see a beautiful three-story

1456
00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:10,610
hole in the Hollywood Hills and a baby

1457
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:12,980
grand piano and then we all end up

1458
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:15,020
disclosed to us described a tall man

1459
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:17,690
dressed in black black clothing black

1460
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:19,730
gloves black hat like mask black sword

1461
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:22,130
black boots and an imposing so

1462
00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:24,230
we thought we didn't even think what are

1463
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:26,660
we talking about we are losing our minds

1464
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:27,170
okay

1465
00:57:31,269 --> 00:57:29,210
the next week new people come in and

1466
00:57:33,009 --> 00:57:31,279
they're all given random numbers and

1467
00:57:35,230 --> 00:57:33,019
they're given in numbers and a piece of

1468
00:57:37,779 --> 00:57:35,240
paper sealed in a in a closed envelope

1469
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:37,789
and these people were not there do

1470
00:57:40,839 --> 00:57:39,049
nothing about they were brought into

1471
00:57:42,759 --> 00:57:40,849
third parties and nothing to what we

1472
00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:42,769
were doing we rolled dice

1473
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:44,900
oh I open your packets all the new

1474
00:57:48,759 --> 00:57:47,089
people open their packets and whatever

1475
00:57:51,579 --> 00:57:48,769
who's ever number matches the roll the

1476
00:57:53,799 --> 00:57:51,589
dice you're the target this woman this

1477
00:57:55,749 --> 00:57:53,809
girl said oh it's me we forgot what we

1478
00:57:57,819 --> 00:57:55,759
said a week earlier we said okay take

1479
00:57:59,470 --> 00:57:57,829
the recorder play the Wii you control

1480
00:58:02,170 --> 00:57:59,480
the audio feedback audio playback

1481
00:58:03,069 --> 00:58:02,180
if the statement fits you stop it if it

1482
00:58:05,769 --> 00:58:03,079
doesn't let it go

1483
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:05,779
so we describe her perfect even clothing

1484
00:58:09,279 --> 00:58:07,609
height face hair okay good what could

1485
00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:09,289
have been coincident she seated in the

1486
00:58:13,089 --> 00:58:11,240
one of the 24 chairs which she picked on

1487
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,099
her own we didn't tell her what chair to

1488
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:14,960
sit him the only chair she couldn't sit

1489
00:58:18,670 --> 00:58:16,130
in would have been mine because it had

1490
00:58:20,529 --> 00:58:18,680
the control for the microphones we

1491
00:58:22,539 --> 00:58:20,539
described the house yeah perfectly

1492
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:22,549
accurate but we got to the tall man in

1493
00:58:27,759 --> 00:58:25,970
all in black sword mask ape her father

1494
00:58:31,150 --> 00:58:27,769
was got away and he played his ro for

1495
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:31,160
Disney and she went and she went wait a

1496
00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:32,569
minute when did you make this tape we

1497
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:35,240
said a week ago a week ago I do know is

1498
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:37,609
coming here until three hours ago how

1499
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:40,220
could you go that's the point well

1500
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,980
that's that's really intriguing and it

1501
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:45,200
was you know so I talked to some of my

1502
00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:47,210
academic brethren the time and they said

1503
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:49,460
it was going to this so I go excuse me

1504
00:58:53,859 --> 00:58:51,410
coincidence you know what are the odds

1505
00:58:56,109 --> 00:58:53,869
well I mean actually if you want to do

1506
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:56,119
it was something like six times 10 to

1507
00:59:04,029 --> 00:59:00,559
the 42nd power that's a lot of zeroes

1508
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:04,039
yeah it was it was ridiculous and I met

1509
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:05,569
her dad and her mom really nice people

1510
00:59:09,579 --> 00:59:07,400
and she was really freaked out by this

1511
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,589
they're really unnerved her when she

1512
00:59:14,109 --> 00:59:12,319
said oh I'm she finished she stopped and

1513
00:59:18,279 --> 00:59:14,119
she said do you know who I am was excuse

1514
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:18,289
my name's Tony Williams I go and who I'm

1515
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:21,400
God Williams daughter we went what and

1516
00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:23,930
if she just I mean she didn't know what

1517
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:26,150
to do and even if she'd been brought by

1518
00:59:30,579 --> 00:59:28,220
someone who had been there the week

1519
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:30,589
earlier they were 12 the people that

1520
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:32,660
came in the room and we rolled dice to

1521
00:59:35,710 --> 00:59:35,089
see who would be randomly chosen so a

1522
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:35,720
chance

1523
00:59:40,540 --> 00:59:37,609
being randomly would have been

1524
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:40,550
astronomical again so it just it was

1525
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:42,830
amazing and I died so I told the story

1526
00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:44,630
in the book the next free cognitive

1527
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:47,420
session weeks later all we kept seeing

1528
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,220
was fire fire fire we thought we were

1529
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:51,200
losing our minds I'm in the lab the next

1530
00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:52,790
day and the sound of the fifth floor

1531
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:54,109
even though it was called the second

1532
00:59:59,470 --> 00:59:57,410
floor and fire engines are coming our

1533
01:00:05,109 --> 00:59:59,480
conference room caught fire and no I

1534
01:00:07,630 --> 01:00:05,119
didn't set it spark a socket behind one

1535
01:00:09,580 --> 01:00:07,640
of the curtains shorted spark caught the

1536
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:09,590
drapes on fire the wonder why we saw

1537
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:11,690
fire it was imminent so this is some

1538
01:00:17,290 --> 01:00:13,910
crude examples of what we dealt with and

1539
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:17,300
again it brings forth the notion of are

1540
01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:19,010
we masters of our own fate or are we

1541
01:00:25,570 --> 01:00:21,800
caught up in this bizarre play wherein

1542
01:00:27,550 --> 01:00:25,580
we don't know and I have a weird feeling

1543
01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:27,560
that in the end if we ever figure out

1544
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,840
what's going on we're not gonna like

1545
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,280
what we learned it's gonna tell us of a

1546
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:34,160
space and time that is very different

1547
01:00:38,290 --> 01:00:36,710
than we think it is where you know we

1548
01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:38,300
aren't who and what we think we are this

1549
01:00:42,370 --> 01:00:40,430
the reason the book is called aliens

1550
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:42,380
above those below as I spoke to Chris

1551
01:00:46,089 --> 01:00:44,510
about last Wednesday on my show and by

1552
01:00:48,430 --> 01:00:46,099
the way he was a great guest Chris you

1553
01:00:50,349 --> 01:00:48,440
were incredible he's wonderful to have

1554
01:00:52,109 --> 01:00:50,359
people like you on the show cuz every so

1555
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:52,119
often we get someone who just won't talk

1556
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,890
he has to sort of fight them to get them

1557
01:00:58,359 --> 01:00:56,960
to speak Chris was great and I really

1558
01:01:00,190 --> 01:00:58,369
like the what it would had to say and

1559
01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:00,200
his thoughts and attitudes and

1560
01:01:06,339 --> 01:01:03,380
orientations and oh yeah I I think we're

1561
01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:06,349
the whole thing is a lot of people who

1562
01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:10,150
have UFO encounters see threes or fours

1563
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,200
start if they had loved to start having

1564
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:14,480
paranormal fallout we've had people that

1565
01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:16,790
began with massive paranormal encounters

1566
01:01:21,220 --> 01:01:18,950
who started having UFO encounters the

1567
01:01:22,930 --> 01:01:21,230
question is why what does it mean how is

1568
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:22,940
this all tied together that's one of the

1569
01:01:28,089 --> 01:01:24,650
things that we've talked about the power

1570
01:01:31,329 --> 01:01:28,099
cast since we started in 2006 the fact

1571
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:31,339
that you can't separate UFOs from all

1572
01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:33,290
this other stuff and you try you say

1573
01:01:38,170 --> 01:01:36,380
okay ETS coming down here that's the UFO

1574
01:01:40,690 --> 01:01:38,180
mystery we've got figured out and maybe

1575
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:40,700
they abduct people occasionally and then

1576
01:01:45,099 --> 01:01:42,830
you start talking to people and you know

1577
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:45,109
there's far better than I do

1578
01:01:49,310 --> 01:01:47,690
you start talking to people and suddenly

1579
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:49,320
they tell you well you

1580
01:01:52,930 --> 01:01:51,750
it's not just that but you know I think

1581
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:52,940
I saw something

1582
01:01:59,240 --> 01:01:56,520
apparition somewhere or we had strange

1583
01:02:02,210 --> 01:01:59,250
things moving about in our kitchen and

1584
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:02,220
you get all this other stuff going on or

1585
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:04,710
we saw strange creatures and you can't

1586
01:02:09,860 --> 01:02:07,080
separate them no we've had a case

1587
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:09,870
actually three years ago in Pasadena and

1588
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:11,850
the woman's take the classic poltergeist

1589
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:14,880
activity but then she said before we

1590
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,650
left we never try to lead people we'll

1591
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:18,720
just let them talk about what they have

1592
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:20,550
experienced we asked questions but we

1593
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,770
never suggest anything anyway she says

1594
01:02:26,090 --> 01:02:24,480
you know I had a weird experience though

1595
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:26,100
years before this started I wonder if

1596
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:27,810
it's relevant well okay describe it and

1597
01:02:31,610 --> 01:02:29,970
she said she was camping with her exile

1598
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:31,620
well it was now her ex-husband and her

1599
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:33,990
son and this weird light and they all

1600
01:02:38,210 --> 01:02:36,450
lost all our time I will get into more

1601
01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:38,220
of that instance where they had a

1602
01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:40,500
missing time episode coming up with

1603
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:47,320
[Music]

1604
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:50,010
so here's what happened I was placing an

1605
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:53,130
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with Jane with Chris and with dr. Barry

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01:07:28,990 --> 01:07:26,360
Taff we're talking about a particular

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episode of family is camping out

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they have missing time what happened

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01:07:35,170 --> 01:07:33,260
next Barry well they wake up and they

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liberalize that hours have gone by and

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they like what and they they feel kind

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of sick and they have to play of scars

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01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,690
and bruises and then it was about

1728
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:43,520
several but eight or nine months later

1729
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where paranormal phenomena began

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happening around them and it helped

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cause the family to break up and the

1732
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marriage broke up and the woman still

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has terrible fall out and we saw some of

1734
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the picture she's taken this is not a

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professional photographer she does he

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barely knows how to load a camera or use

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a computer some of the pictures were

1738
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more indicative of beautiful logical

1739
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events than paranormal or whatever and

1740
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we didn't say we just looked at each

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other because we knew what we were

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seeing what we thought we were seeing

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and the woman got so freaked out by all

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that she went to a church and they took

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her pictures and destroyed them and they

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took the you know the memory cards from

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her camera and destroyed that these are

1748
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all demons they're gonna get you oh my

1749
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god in fact she was going to appear on a

1750
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show my colleague was for co-producing

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at the time and they told the church

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that all know these are demons if you

1753
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work with the show it'll it they'll end

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up killing you and she just went bananas

1755
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and didn't hear from her again but so

1756
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demons are also digital demons or

1757
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producers who don't pay you demons or

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production so to give you the give you

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contracts didn't say that they can libel

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and slander you you can't go after the

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pork yeah I just staring welcome to show

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business let me tell you about another

1763
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chapter of my book chapter 10 called

1764
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abduction central Valentine's Day 1977 I

1765
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was out on a case with my colleague here

1766
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in Los Angeles walked into apartment the

1767
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case who were arresting you started and

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I saw this girl I just what wake I

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freaked out this was my vision of

1770
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perfect feminine beauty I couldn't stop

1771
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staring at my colleagues with Barrett

1772
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Marilyn what whoo oh yeah okay I've

1773
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never seen a girl more beautiful in my

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life and I have a very rigid image of

1775
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what I think is beautiful it's kind of

1776
01:09:25,930 --> 01:09:24,500
very stereotypical of my thoughts well

1777
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:25,940
it was an actress who died a couple

1778
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:27,650
years ago cheesy and her name was Adele

1779
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:30,799
Maura did a lot of TV's and movies Marie

1780
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Blanchard a yes shorter version or her

1781
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she died like 42 years ago

1782
01:09:39,309 --> 01:09:36,679
let's see Joan Collins in that that

1783
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looks Sharia sherry Jackson from what

1784
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little girls made of in Star Trek you

1785
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get to look and this girl was all that

1786
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rolled in the one and my height and

1787
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everything was great and we were stay

1788
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started dating and later on and

1789
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everything was great and then the dreams

1790
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came this is all in Chapter ten the

1791
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dream is is saying that July 22nd it all

1792
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ended I didn't know why I just July 22nd

1793
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so I wrote down July 22nd it ends I

1794
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didn't know why or what I'm not gonna

1795
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tell her she'll think I want on with

1796
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relationship and so I'm trying to

1797
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manipulate her so I kind of forgot about

1798
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it

1799
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well everything was great wake up July

1800
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10th July 22nd and she's under the cover

1801
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she won't come out and she sobbed it why

1802
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didn't I help where I go with what she

1803
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just when the room lit up I go with the

1804
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room lit up what are you talking about

1805
01:10:27,220 --> 01:10:25,309
well the room lit up break it they took

1806
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me I go what do you and she describes

1807
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the room lighting up being picked up out

1808
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:29,539
of bed I

1809
01:10:33,819 --> 01:10:31,610
she found yourself in another room

1810
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:33,829
around metal room on a pedestal like

1811
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table of looked like stainless steel of

1812
01:10:39,370 --> 01:10:37,880
brushed aluminum restrained in her

1813
01:10:41,979 --> 01:10:39,380
ankles or wrist or neck in her abdomen

1814
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:41,989
and these little men around her much

1815
01:10:45,609 --> 01:10:44,000
smaller than we were and not it were

1816
01:10:47,950 --> 01:10:45,619
neither of us at all we were both about

1817
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:47,960
try five okay there's a lot of classic

1818
01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:50,510
abduction scenario right right

1819
01:10:54,759 --> 01:10:52,670
and long story short they were cutting

1820
01:10:57,609 --> 01:10:54,769
and probe probing and put hurting her

1821
01:10:59,470 --> 01:10:57,619
and sticking her and in and she was

1822
01:11:03,069 --> 01:10:59,480
freaking out and she never said aliens

1823
01:11:05,799 --> 01:11:03,079
he had no interest in UFOs at all had no

1824
01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:05,809
not even curious didn't interest her but

1825
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,400
the reason I met her there was motorcars

1826
01:11:11,770 --> 01:11:09,920
activity around her anyway she finally

1827
01:11:13,689 --> 01:11:11,780
comes out from hundreds I asked her

1828
01:11:15,580 --> 01:11:13,699
before she came out I said to her you

1829
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:15,590
know anything about UFO abductions she

1830
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goes what what do you have oh gosh she

1831
01:11:23,410 --> 01:11:21,110
goes what no what's that oh no no

1832
01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:23,420
comes out of under the covers she's

1833
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:24,980
bleeding from her nose bleeding from her

1834
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:27,110
ear bleeding her are leaving for uterus

1835
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:30,110
leaving for rectum and from it and from

1836
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:32,030
her mouth and she wasn't menstruating

1837
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:34,130
around her hair had been cut little

1838
01:11:38,290 --> 01:11:36,710
scoops of skin taken out of her back and

1839
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:38,300
around her wrists or ankles or abdomen

1840
01:11:41,290 --> 01:11:39,860
and her neck for black and blue

1841
01:11:43,149 --> 01:11:41,300
constriction works like she'd been

1842
01:11:45,850 --> 01:11:43,159
bruised she had a complete breakdown

1843
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:45,860
what made me think this case was more

1844
01:11:50,230 --> 01:11:48,170
than simply so kind of psycho

1845
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:50,240
as in somatic manifestation or like

1846
01:11:55,210 --> 01:11:53,450
former stigmata was the power net area

1847
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:55,220
had gone off out of 2:00 in the morning

1848
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:57,290
and people had seen a strange glowing

1849
01:12:00,690 --> 01:11:59,060
object hovering over that part of the

1850
01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:00,700
Hollywood Hills at about the same time

1851
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:02,870
obviously now a dream state if you have

1852
01:12:06,670 --> 01:12:04,490
all those physical effects right right

1853
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:06,680
and she'd been abducted but apparently

1854
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,450
since then and she had a complete

1855
01:12:12,460 --> 01:12:10,640
breakdown and we had this not occurred

1856
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:12,470
whatever it was I'm assuming it was an

1857
01:12:16,510 --> 01:12:14,510
abduction so very likely we would have

1858
01:12:18,940 --> 01:12:16,520
been married within less than a year are

1859
01:12:20,260 --> 01:12:18,950
you married no okay that was the only

1860
01:12:22,060 --> 01:12:20,270
girl I've ever met that I could have

1861
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:22,070
married terms of our compatibility I

1862
01:12:26,860 --> 01:12:24,770
meet beautiful women all the time the

1863
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:26,870
problem is they either think I'm crazy

1864
01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:29,210
which is very common or more

1865
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:31,430
disturbingly they make me look normal if

1866
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:35,920
that's the case we're in trouble oh boy

1867
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so my life this is a life you know on my

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website Barry Taff Garnett one of the

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blogs is called a life changing

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paranormal event and this is this

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girlfriend and I can't imagine there's

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God if it would have been married I

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would had to get a normal job what a

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horrible thought but would have been

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worth it in her case but that didn't

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happen so well that that leads me to

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another question by poll two worst in

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and that is do you always find a focused

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01:13:04,420 --> 01:13:02,960
person in the poltergeist cases that you

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look into and if so are there

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similarities and personality types

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yeah answers yes and yes it could be

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anywhere from adalah cubesats

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adolescence into adulthood person

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personality kind of wired frenetic sort

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of just this fragmented personality very

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unstable emotionally speaking um the

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commonalities are this which seems

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there's three three or four variables

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that determine the manifestation of

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these phenomena - Chris and I discussed

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this briefly last week one is location

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location location it seems these

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environments seem to have a few magnetic

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or electromagnetic anomalies - before

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you go - that's like having portal areas

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or something like that let's stay away

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from the word portal let's just call it

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a geophysical anomaly okay secondly

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would be the person tends to the either

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seizure prone or epileptic whether they

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know it or not and you can obviously you

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can measure this when we if the

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instruments we take out in the field are

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very sense

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but they can't measure biomagnetic

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that's still weak you need

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superconducting sensors for squid

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devices whatever bioelectric is easy to

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measure anyway long story short again

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around these poltergeist agents their

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body see me putting out up to a million

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times as the magnetic field amplitude of

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a normal person which is why they're

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epileptic and the third variable so you

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have the location these neural strata

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are the uniquely neurophysiology of the

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individual the third is unstable

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emotions those seem to be the common

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factors and all the cases that we've

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worked on we can really delve into them

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the patterns the same not some of them

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it's always the same it's like wherever

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you imagine you go to a different

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restaurant but whatever you eat you're

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eating the same food we've okay it's a

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new face a new place but it's the same

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food it's still McDonald's no matter

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where you go it's McDonald's it's Pizza

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unfortunately which is I guess the home

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of franchised restaurants although

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there's some great restaurants there

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that we have to talk to you about later

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on yes but you know when we get to

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Southern California like so you know the

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three variants three or four I guess

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parameters that we look at and the

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consistency has been extremely high it's

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amazing okay what's amazing these

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announcements coming from our

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benefactors we have dr. Barry Taff

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with gene and Chris you're in the para

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and no I do not pre write the segues or

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use remote feeling to make them that bad

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I just do my best you want to continue

2051
01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:22,079
with that frame of thought Mary or sure

2052
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:25,409
a question yeah no the see what's an

2053
01:20:30,859 --> 01:20:28,110
important the majority people who were

2054
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:30,869
poltergeist agen tend to be as a seizure

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01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:33,659
prone or epileptic however most people

2056
01:20:37,759 --> 01:20:35,460
who is senior prone or epileptics are

2057
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:37,769
not poltergeist a shift that means it's

2058
01:20:42,919 --> 01:20:41,130
a unilateral of a defect what it what

2059
01:20:46,189 --> 01:20:42,929
there's a missing or unknown variable

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god that it goes against the wisdom that

2061
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it's really teenagers who are near

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01:20:53,899 --> 01:20:51,150
puberty and they have all this excess

2063
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energy well no actually we see the whole

2064
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thing the same way in nature many

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different things could produce heat

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friction chemicals could produce heat

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light could produce heat fire produces

2068
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heat there's five or six things of a but

2069
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they all produce heat you may get the

2070
01:21:11,810 --> 01:21:09,780
same result from different causes but it

2071
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:11,820
seems to be the result of a console -

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not an influence so it's like in order

2073
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to produce produce make a certain recipe

2074
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you've got to have a certain you know

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foods and spices together to produce a

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given result a young person who's going

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through puberty or adolescent

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adolescence their nervous system they'd

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be so afraid to begin with it may

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parallel that of someone who sees your

2081
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owner epileptic now when the people

2082
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would receive your own rep eliptic who

2083
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have these phenomena round them when

2084
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they take the meds to quell their

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seizures now we've this seizure stop the

2086
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,349
phenomena stops when they stop taking

2087
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the meds because the demand to make them

2088
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:47,639
feel really bad the seizures return as

2089
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to the phenomena what a coincidence that

2090
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means it's the same wage of the brain

2091
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maybe mediating both processes the

2092
01:21:59,299 --> 01:21:57,059
question is you could do studies

2093
01:22:01,580 --> 01:21:59,309
longitudinal studies on this MRI

2094
01:22:04,220 --> 01:22:01,590
functional MRIs PET scans

2095
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cost a fortune and every doctor and the

2096
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every MD would be out of a job

2097
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oh yeah the insurance companies wouldn't

2098
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go for this but I

2099
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I wonder from what you're saying here

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would that mean that in fear you could

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give somebody a drug to recreate certain

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mental symptoms that would cause you to

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see these things well no you're correct

2104
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:23,910
but you're incorrect there may be it

2105
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away would be the first time but no you

2106
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,770
think you're right but the precision is

2107
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wrong there may be a way to reverse

2108
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engineer the process and rather than

2109
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stimulating the brain chemically which

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is very dangerous under any

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circumstances we know that from the

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history of second psychotropic drugs

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there may be a way to drive the

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environment and the individual in no

2115
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physiological research you can do with

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cold photo driving by putting a bright

2117
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strobe light front of a patient's eyes

2118
01:22:58,130 --> 01:22:55,290
and see how their brain responds well

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that also can induce epilepsy in people

2120
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it may be possible to drive the brain

2121
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through electromagnetic Li pumping the

2122
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environment in certain ways the problem

2123
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is the risk to the persons in the

2124
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environment might be acute in which case

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you can't do it if you've never ever put

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people at risk for any reason whatsoever

2127
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so that's the problem that I think it's

2128
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:20,010
possible to do this it would be very

2129
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,710
dangerous and risky and you could

2130
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theoretically you could fry people you

2131
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could kill them with this I would mean

2132
01:23:31,340 --> 01:23:28,940
there may be other ways of doing it but

2133
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you know the whole thing of you never

2134
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put people in harm's way medically ever

2135
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and I don't care what data you're gonna

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collect you don't do it so this is a

2137
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:39,090
possibility I would suggest that people

2138
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:41,370
don't experiment this you may you may

2139
01:23:46,130 --> 01:23:43,890
fly your own nervous system Chris let's

2140
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:46,140
get into another question this is fast

2141
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:48,449
neighbor e in n pole you know poulter

2142
01:23:52,570 --> 01:23:49,800
worse is right there I think he was

2143
01:23:54,620 --> 01:23:52,580
precognitive with his question in here

2144
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:54,630
another question that he has which i

2145
01:23:58,459 --> 01:23:56,640
think is a very good one and for someone

2146
01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:58,469
that has been out on thousands and

2147
01:24:04,340 --> 01:24:01,560
thousands of cases and claims of the

2148
01:24:06,620 --> 01:24:04,350
unusual do we have any hard evidence

2149
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:06,630
audio video recordings police reports

2150
01:24:10,340 --> 01:24:08,730
that there is really something happening

2151
01:24:12,410 --> 01:24:10,350
with hauntings and poltergeist cases

2152
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,420
which seemed to contradict our knowledge

2153
01:24:16,459 --> 01:24:14,880
of natural laws and processes that it's

2154
01:24:18,260 --> 01:24:16,469
not all infrasound waves or other

2155
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:18,270
natural phenomena people imagining or

2156
01:24:22,009 --> 01:24:19,800
misinterpreting things we even hoaxing

2157
01:24:24,739 --> 01:24:22,019
if so why is this evidence

2158
01:24:27,259 --> 01:24:24,749
more widely known and the phenomena more

2159
01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:27,269
publicly accepted well yet the answer is

2160
01:24:31,939 --> 01:24:30,030
yes there's evidence but see science is

2161
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scientists and great things without

2162
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science we wouldn't be having the show

2163
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right now because we wouldn't have

2164
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technology so you gotta have be able to

2165
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:38,309
reproduce stuff in a controlled

2166
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,050
situation and I have to tell you it's

2167
01:24:46,370 --> 01:24:42,480
not reverse engineered alien technology

2168
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:46,380
right right no but but basically this is

2169
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:48,179
a really good question that was asked

2170
01:24:53,959 --> 01:24:51,210
and that is the for example the entity

2171
01:24:56,089 --> 01:24:53,969
case you have 20 20 people in a little

2172
01:24:59,569 --> 01:24:56,099
bedroom in Culver City in a hot summer

2173
01:25:01,399 --> 01:24:59,579
night of 1974 and lime green lights

2174
01:25:03,259 --> 01:25:01,409
coalesced this is chapter two in my book

2175
01:25:05,779 --> 01:25:03,269
by the way coalesced of the corner and

2176
01:25:07,700 --> 01:25:05,789
in large apparition forms and it was

2177
01:25:09,410 --> 01:25:07,710
astounding I mean I remember like I was

2178
01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:09,420
there yesterday was like oh my god and

2179
01:25:13,009 --> 01:25:11,400
then it just turns off like a light well

2180
01:25:15,229 --> 01:25:13,019
we had several professional

2181
01:25:17,089 --> 01:25:15,239
photographers there with cameras firing

2182
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:17,099
firing firing we could see with our

2183
01:25:20,660 --> 01:25:19,050
naked eyes lit up the room pretty

2184
01:25:22,189 --> 01:25:20,670
brightly with an otherwise darkened

2185
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,199
environment yet we couldn't photograph

2186
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:24,719
well we did capture in which is in my

2187
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,570
book these balls of light which were

2188
01:25:32,540 --> 01:25:30,239
visible to the naked eye and no but we

2189
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:32,550
also got arcs of light which we never

2190
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,980
saw in the best picture from the entity

2191
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:37,440
case the light that frames Doris bytes

2192
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:39,289
or the lady the focal point of the case

2193
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,820
she was cowering under the lights the

2194
01:25:46,430 --> 01:25:44,159
arc most likely as a result of time

2195
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:46,440
lapse we were shooting too slow and the

2196
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ball was firing flying over her as a

2197
01:25:51,709 --> 01:25:50,730
dead produced an arc it's like you're

2198
01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:51,719
taking pictures

2199
01:25:55,759 --> 01:25:53,670
no astronomical photographs with a

2200
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telescope and the camera if you don't

2201
01:26:00,620 --> 01:25:57,570
have a moving platform you get streaks

2202
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:00,630
for the time exposure same thing here in

2203
01:26:06,169 --> 01:26:03,480
San Pedro haze incredible chapter three

2204
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,179
in my book hazardous haunting very

2205
01:26:10,970 --> 01:26:08,159
extraordinary photographs taken by Barry

2206
01:26:13,939 --> 01:26:10,980
Conrad and by Jackie Hernandez in the

2207
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case and these look like plasmas clear

2208
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very clear three-dimensional point

2209
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sources of light they overlap each other

2210
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they have clear dimensionality depth of

2211
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:24,420
field and these were visible to naked

2212
01:26:32,569 --> 01:26:27,659
eye they look like plasmas but what's

2213
01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:32,579
the source it's the evidence is there we

2214
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:34,440
don't we don't know how to interpret it

2215
01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:36,170
the best way to describe where

2216
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parapsychology has been for a long time

2217
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:41,520
and still is with three blind men

2218
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:44,040
touching an elephant one blind man holds

2219
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the leg oh it's a tree it's a tree trunk

2220
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the other holds the trunk of the

2221
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elephant thinks with the hose

2222
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the third blind man holds the tail or

2223
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thinks at the Rope they're all wrong

2224
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that's where we are we don't know the

2225
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phenomena is there sometimes you these

2226
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blames blatant manifestations but we

2227
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can't explain them when you see a 20 215

2228
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pound man picked up and thrown the wall

2229
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like a rag doll like in San Pedro and

2230
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there's nothing near him they can make

2231
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that happen and the room gets colder

2232
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prior to the event there's nothing in

2233
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our world weak explains us there's no

2234
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force of nature we know of that can

2235
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manifest this event without burning him

2236
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alive everything we know of all the

2237
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energies we know of long before he would

2238
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move his clothes the burst of the flame

2239
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everything in the room would burst in

2240
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the flame and he would be killed that

2241
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didn't happen

2242
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that guy didn't get hard to get cold

2243
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well said we got a problem don't we the

2244
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problem is we don't know what's going on

2245
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just sort of bury our heads in the sand

2246
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and go well you know let's okay we'll

2247
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ignore it no that's good maybe they'll

2248
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just go away yeah exactly the whole idea

2249
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is if we just ignore them they'll stop

2250
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bothering us meaning ignore that what

2251
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the data is indicating and the if you

2252
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look at the data over a long period of

2253
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time which is really why I loved having

2254
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Chris on my show last Wednesday is that

2255
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collection collecting data in looking at

2256
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the longitudinal patterns in which

2257
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you're seeing clear evidence there's

2258
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something extraordinary going on and the

2259
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patterns there we don't know how to

2260
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quite interpret it yet but it's there in

2261
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his way he's doing what I've been doing

2262
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a few other people have been doing and

2263
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what's happening on TV is going in the

2264
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opposite direction it's all fantasy it's

2265
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all stupid hype it's all its horror

2266
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I mean stead of Universal mummies and

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vampires and wolf men and Frankenstein

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it's people running around screaming oh

2269
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is that good you feel that I love that I

2270
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think we need to show called bimbo babe

2271
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ghost hunters and the women run around

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thongs beautiful bodacious babes run

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around and faunal do

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Shh don't say anything I think they're

2275
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copying what you're saying this shallow

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Peter on the sci-fi channel in two years

2277
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right with my name excised from it your

2278
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name will not be involved that's how

2279
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they do it you know if they can't play

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think of a dumb idea they will steal a

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dumb idea and then they'll bring it out

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and well you know they get sued fine

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though Stonewall you know it's like

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these successful TV shows that are in

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syndication for years but they lost

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money wait dr. Barry Taff joins us I

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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believe me with gene and Chris you have

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a fascinating episode with dr. Barry

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Taff he's author of a book called aliens

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above ghosts below explorations of the

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unknown and we have someone who enjoys

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lunchmeat and poltergeists because he

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calls himself Poulter worst

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older worst poker worse the worst

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Poulter I ever tasted you know I

2400
01:34:30,219 --> 01:34:28,429
well how about dogs Mackay

2401
01:34:32,979 --> 01:34:30,229
I have a question from GOG smacky the

2402
01:34:35,020 --> 01:34:32,989
kind of dovetails I think with where

2403
01:34:36,549 --> 01:34:35,030
we're at in the conversation Barry what

2404
01:34:38,139 --> 01:34:36,559
is the bottom line do you do you believe

2405
01:34:40,149 --> 01:34:38,149
that people who see ghosts or

2406
01:34:41,739 --> 01:34:40,159
supernatural entities are ever seen

2407
01:34:43,089 --> 01:34:41,749
something that is physically there and

2408
01:34:45,989 --> 01:34:43,099
not just a figment of your imagination

2409
01:34:48,339 --> 01:34:45,999
and he gives an example of an

2410
01:34:50,649 --> 01:34:48,349
inexplicable event that had no

2411
01:34:53,409 --> 01:34:50,659
explanation of a woman that disappeared

2412
01:34:55,419 --> 01:34:53,419
into a dead-end alley and do you think

2413
01:34:58,600 --> 01:34:55,429
that there's a possibility that these

2414
01:35:01,589 --> 01:34:58,610
entities and I'm kind of adding my own

2415
01:35:04,419 --> 01:35:01,599
little second question here I've noticed

2416
01:35:06,489 --> 01:35:04,429
a number of ghost investigations that

2417
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:06,499
I've gone out to on haunted sites that

2418
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:08,449
you have the inexplicable draining of

2419
01:35:14,409 --> 01:35:12,010
batteries almost instantaneously in

2420
01:35:18,129 --> 01:35:14,419
various gear that we have out there

2421
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:18,139
whether it's you know 6 volt deep cycle

2422
01:35:24,009 --> 01:35:21,199
light batteries or camera batteries or

2423
01:35:25,449 --> 01:35:24,019
audio recording gear do you think that

2424
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:25,459
there's some sort of connection there

2425
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:28,249
you know energetically that these these

2426
01:35:35,049 --> 01:35:30,800
energies are somehow utilizing batteries

2427
01:35:38,889 --> 01:35:35,059
for whatever purpose well yes yes yes

2428
01:35:41,319 --> 01:35:38,899
yes but then no here's the problem in

2429
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:41,329
the entity case for example you have 20

2430
01:35:44,529 --> 01:35:43,249
people in a room all who saw the same

2431
01:35:46,689 --> 01:35:44,539
thing at the same time yet it wasn't

2432
01:35:49,029 --> 01:35:46,699
photogenic which is impossible it's

2433
01:35:51,129 --> 01:35:49,039
invisible visible to naked eye it should

2434
01:35:53,919 --> 01:35:51,139
be photographable but it wasn't well

2435
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:53,929
okay we know that subtle very weak

2436
01:35:58,810 --> 01:35:56,239
electromagnetic fields can influence our

2437
01:36:01,509 --> 01:35:58,820
brains my dr. Michael Persinger in

2438
01:36:02,770 --> 01:36:01,519
Canada is a neurobiologist studied all

2439
01:36:05,050 --> 01:36:02,780
this yeah that's true

2440
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:05,060
but let's say there was some

2441
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:06,890
electromagnetic anomaly on the at the

2442
01:36:11,260 --> 01:36:09,650
entity side in Culver City in 1974 and

2443
01:36:13,210 --> 01:36:11,270
we were all somehow being made the

2444
01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:13,220
hallucinate by this force the chance of

2445
01:36:16,450 --> 01:36:14,390
even two of us having the same

2446
01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:16,460
hallucination let alone twenty it's a

2447
01:36:20,890 --> 01:36:18,710
trillion to one no it doesn't work that

2448
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:20,900
way we have enough individual biological

2449
01:36:26,140 --> 01:36:23,090
difference for one person X that doesn't

2450
01:36:28,210 --> 01:36:26,150
occur so we all wrote down what we saw

2451
01:36:30,490 --> 01:36:28,220
we all saw the same thing collectively

2452
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:30,500
yet it wasn't photogenic which is

2453
01:36:35,020 --> 01:36:33,050
impossible okay so then what are we

2454
01:36:36,730 --> 01:36:35,030
seeing it in our minds eye

2455
01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:36,740
we're seeing it in our minds are you

2456
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:38,750
can't photograph that yet as far as we

2457
01:36:44,590 --> 01:36:41,690
know as far as we've seen in a number of

2458
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:44,600
cases many cases actually we go out with

2459
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:47,090
you know instrumentation and gear and

2460
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:49,250
not that it's not that in common brand

2461
01:36:52,990 --> 01:36:51,170
new bed each drop dead go in there

2462
01:36:54,820 --> 01:36:53,000
suddenly all the batteries last case I

2463
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:54,830
said mention Pasadena

2464
01:36:58,420 --> 01:36:57,170
everything's charged three of our main

2465
01:37:00,430 --> 01:36:58,430
instruments batteries for dead as a

2466
01:37:02,530 --> 01:37:00,440
doornail I have spirit I put him in they

2467
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:02,540
were brand new dead of the doornail in

2468
01:37:08,620 --> 01:37:05,330
the San Pedro case the woman look out

2469
01:37:10,570 --> 01:37:08,630
Jackie Menendez moved and new people who

2470
01:37:12,610 --> 01:37:10,580
moved in scary having similar phenomena

2471
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:12,620
they moved out other new people moved in

2472
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:14,930
they moved out same thing a crew came in

2473
01:37:18,010 --> 01:37:16,250
there with their you know professional

2474
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:18,020
Cambria betacam this was back in the

2475
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:21,290
early 90s and their equipment kept dying

2476
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:23,030
they go out it will come back on they go

2477
01:37:29,170 --> 01:37:25,730
back in it would turn off it's almost

2478
01:37:32,140 --> 01:37:29,180
like this force is incompatible with it

2479
01:37:34,630 --> 01:37:32,150
some levels with the with modern

2480
01:37:36,970 --> 01:37:34,640
electromagnetism and it wouldn't

2481
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,980
surprise me at all because we're looking

2482
01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:38,480
at the force that is instead of being

2483
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,550
excellent thermic is endothermic my

2484
01:37:44,770 --> 01:37:42,560
guess is it wouldn't work very well with

2485
01:37:47,050 --> 01:37:44,780
electric humanly generated

2486
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:47,060
electromagnetism whether it would DC or

2487
01:37:53,620 --> 01:37:51,650
AC we it's now what's interesting in the

2488
01:37:56,440 --> 01:37:53,630
San Pedro cases is all in chapter 3

2489
01:37:59,500 --> 01:37:56,450
called the hazardous Andre Jackie moves

2490
01:38:01,360 --> 01:37:59,510
out of San Pedro and it follows her at

2491
01:38:04,330 --> 01:38:01,370
what the phenomena moves with or up to

2492
01:38:05,470 --> 01:38:04,340
Weldon which is up in Fresno in and

2493
01:38:08,140 --> 01:38:05,480
still Bakersfield area

2494
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:08,150
Bakersfield NM Frisco and what happened

2495
01:38:11,380 --> 01:38:09,920
there was amazing I wasn't there because

2496
01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:11,390
my father had a heart attack of the

2497
01:38:16,180 --> 01:38:14,270
times I was sideline with my parents the

2498
01:38:18,910 --> 01:38:16,190
phenomena continued and Jeff was almost

2499
01:38:20,740 --> 01:38:18,920
killed again at that he was some means

2500
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:20,750
in the wall like the ragdoll which a lot

2501
01:38:25,090 --> 01:38:22,610
of people witness and their equipment

2502
01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:25,100
kept failing and going there she finally

2503
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:28,310
comes back to visit San Pedro and she's

2504
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:29,690
running around doing things there today

2505
01:38:33,190 --> 01:38:31,280
with her friends comes back to her motel

2506
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:33,200
room and on the wall to the ceiling in

2507
01:38:38,230 --> 01:38:36,320
big red marker pencil the words mad and

2508
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:38,240
angry well if you had to describe Jackie

2509
01:38:42,820 --> 01:38:40,730
state of mind at that point in time was

2510
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:42,830
she mad and angry yeah because her life

2511
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:45,170
was turned inside upside down inside out

2512
01:38:49,690 --> 01:38:47,210
by these events she had no control over

2513
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:49,700
him now listen I'm gonna repeatedly a

2514
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:52,010
chat jeff wheatcraft once it September

2515
01:38:57,130 --> 01:38:53,570
89 in San Pedro

2516
01:38:59,980 --> 01:38:57,140
another time up in Weldon and another

2517
01:39:03,310 --> 01:38:59,990
time at Barry Conrad's house and what's

2518
01:39:06,190 --> 01:39:03,320
interesting is Jackie really disliked

2519
01:39:07,690 --> 01:39:06,200
Jeff intensely Jackie was very attracted

2520
01:39:09,790 --> 01:39:07,700
to Barry Conrad Baron looks

2521
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:09,800
young Elvis you know good-looking guy

2522
01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:12,290
dark hair blue eyes very funny and

2523
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:14,510
affable friendly you know just really

2524
01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:16,130
nice guy and women go nuts over them

2525
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:18,440
jackie misinterpreted his help is that a

2526
01:39:22,780 --> 01:39:21,170
romantic interest so who was around

2527
01:39:26,170 --> 01:39:22,790
Barry all the time when he was there

2528
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:26,180
Jeff Jim yeah Jackie saw that as an

2529
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,710
impediment to her growing closer to

2530
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:30,320
Barry and who does the Phenom acute the

2531
01:39:36,730 --> 01:39:34,400
cocky Jeff G thinks there's a link and

2532
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:36,740
what he got so bad with Jackie one time

2533
01:39:40,900 --> 01:39:38,510
Barry woke up this is when he lived in

2534
01:39:43,060 --> 01:39:40,910
Studio City Nell lives in Glendale when

2535
01:39:46,450 --> 01:39:43,070
he wakes up and there's a new Jackie

2536
01:39:51,010 --> 01:39:46,460
Hernandez next to him in bed she broke

2537
01:39:54,250 --> 01:39:51,020
it at the park her clothes and just wow

2538
01:39:56,410 --> 01:39:54,260
I could think of some women who I would

2539
01:39:58,480 --> 01:39:56,420
have liked that to have happened with oh

2540
01:40:00,010 --> 01:39:58,490
hey Jackie he's a nice person but not

2541
01:40:02,770 --> 01:40:00,020
someone I would want to be involved with

2542
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:02,780
she's got some little pearl personal

2543
01:40:08,170 --> 01:40:04,310
demons that I don't mean the paranormal

2544
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:08,180
type but it was interesting is that most

2545
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:10,510
of these phenomena are linked to people

2546
01:40:15,100 --> 01:40:13,730
that I'd say very few cases in my files

2547
01:40:18,190 --> 01:40:15,110
I would call hauntings

2548
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:18,200
so it's something here that someone has

2549
01:40:24,100 --> 01:40:20,930
something within them that makes them

2550
01:40:27,220 --> 01:40:24,110
sensitive or as a generator of some kind

2551
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:27,230
of phenomenal it's sort of like III came

2552
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:30,080
coined a term called a psycho virus we

2553
01:40:32,830 --> 01:40:31,520
know what a virus is we know what

2554
01:40:33,850 --> 01:40:32,840
bacteria are

2555
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:33,860
you know you're healthy you go to

2556
01:40:37,180 --> 01:40:35,570
someone's home their family thick you

2557
01:40:38,830 --> 01:40:37,190
don't touch anything you wear a mask

2558
01:40:40,540 --> 01:40:38,840
you come home you get sick you give it

2559
01:40:42,610 --> 01:40:40,550
to your family we understand that we

2560
01:40:44,860 --> 01:40:42,620
know what that is there may be something

2561
01:40:47,260 --> 01:40:44,870
akin to that going on here but it isn't

2562
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:47,270
biological it's energetic Jackie

2563
01:40:53,260 --> 01:40:49,510
Hernandez she moves in this little

2564
01:40:55,480 --> 01:40:53,270
bungalow in San Pedro and all these

2565
01:40:57,820 --> 01:40:55,490
things start happening she moves out it

2566
01:40:59,860 --> 01:40:57,830
somehow I'm gonna stay with her then new

2567
01:41:01,900 --> 01:40:59,870
people move new people move in it starts

2568
01:41:03,310 --> 01:41:01,910
happening to them they move out then

2569
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:03,320
more new people move in it starts

2570
01:41:07,810 --> 01:41:05,330
happening to them there's something in

2571
01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:07,820
that location that affects people if

2572
01:41:12,370 --> 01:41:10,190
you're sensitive if you're sensitive to

2573
01:41:14,650 --> 01:41:12,380
that particular type of force it in some

2574
01:41:15,970 --> 01:41:14,660
way modifies you you then carried away

2575
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:15,980
from the source and propagated

2576
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:17,210
independently of its source

2577
01:41:21,580 --> 01:41:19,370
we understand that biologically but

2578
01:41:23,650 --> 01:41:21,590
energy wise we don't because there's no

2579
01:41:25,210 --> 01:41:23,660
name for it and it's why I called it a

2580
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:25,220
psycho virus and we've seen this in

2581
01:41:30,730 --> 01:41:28,490
other cases in the last chapter I add it

2582
01:41:33,850 --> 01:41:30,740
to my book not the last actual chapter

2583
01:41:35,230 --> 01:41:33,860
closed chapter 7 and it replacable lost

2584
01:41:37,150 --> 01:41:35,240
the life and death of a poltergeist

2585
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:37,160
agent and this was one of the most

2586
01:41:41,530 --> 01:41:38,930
extraordinary cases I've ever had

2587
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,540
because I was able to plot data over

2588
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:44,000
several years of time and we'd look back

2589
01:41:48,580 --> 01:41:46,130
at it when the case ended and the

2590
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:48,590
pattern was so Daman stably clear it was

2591
01:41:53,860 --> 01:41:51,380
rather disturbing that the phenomena was

2592
01:41:56,110 --> 01:41:53,870
linked to this woman's physical state of

2593
01:41:56,500 --> 01:41:56,120
health and when she died the phenomena

2594
01:41:58,600 --> 01:41:56,510
stopped

2595
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,610
okay the generator was gone a really

2596
01:42:03,310 --> 01:42:00,800
good question that dresses that very

2597
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:03,320
thing this comes from spooky Mulder

2598
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:05,810
who's one of our newer posters at forum

2599
01:42:10,090 --> 01:42:08,330
dr. Peric ascom and his question is if

2600
01:42:12,010 --> 01:42:10,100
one was to accept the possibility of

2601
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:12,020
certain people being able to manifest

2602
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:15,440
these forms be at Tulpas poltergeist is

2603
01:42:19,630 --> 01:42:17,510
it not possible that some residual

2604
01:42:21,490 --> 01:42:19,640
hauntings could be the result of some of

2605
01:42:23,470 --> 01:42:21,500
these cases where the spirit in question

2606
01:42:25,900 --> 01:42:23,480
outlived or outlasted the originator of

2607
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:25,910
the spirit in question or would they

2608
01:42:29,710 --> 01:42:28,490
tend to go just go away and die with the

2609
01:42:31,900 --> 01:42:29,720
loss of that person that may be

2610
01:42:34,540 --> 01:42:31,910
responsible for them being manifest to

2611
01:42:36,430 --> 01:42:34,550
begin with that's a good girl yes but I

2612
01:42:38,710 --> 01:42:36,440
think the nomenclature used is a

2613
01:42:41,140 --> 01:42:38,720
somewhat dated in this M teacher case

2614
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:41,150
Jackie Hernandez when I told the

2615
01:42:45,970 --> 01:42:43,520
producer of hard copy about Jackie's

2616
01:42:46,490 --> 01:42:45,980
being the actual poltergeist agent it's

2617
01:42:48,710 --> 01:42:46,500
related

2618
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:48,720
her the producer - what you mean so the

2619
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:51,090
ghost she's telling the ghost to do what

2620
01:42:55,190 --> 01:42:52,560
the ghost to do and the ghost does and I

2621
01:42:58,100 --> 01:42:55,200
go there's no ghost it's Jackie it

2622
01:42:59,000 --> 01:42:58,110
sounds like a producer yeah hello wake

2623
01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:59,010
up people

2624
01:43:04,820 --> 01:43:01,920
no it's Jackie it is it words

2625
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:04,830
my guess is the environment can charge

2626
01:43:10,460 --> 01:43:07,010
up the individual insects I mean they

2627
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:10,470
people may act as biological operational

2628
01:43:15,740 --> 01:43:12,780
amplifiers if we're sensitive our body

2629
01:43:17,900 --> 01:43:15,750
takes in this force modifies it bumps it

2630
01:43:19,790 --> 01:43:17,910
up a notch and then we also act as focal

2631
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:19,800
planes and wave guides we then push it

2632
01:43:22,010 --> 01:43:21,600
out and mediate it in terms of what it

2633
01:43:24,650 --> 01:43:22,020
does

2634
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:24,660
based on our subconscious fears wants

2635
01:43:30,380 --> 01:43:27,210
desires and this case was one of many

2636
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,390
that we've seen the question is can the

2637
01:43:34,850 --> 01:43:32,400
person charge you yes it may be

2638
01:43:36,290 --> 01:43:34,860
reciprocal the linkage between the

2639
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,300
individual in the environment is

2640
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,400
critical I in the book I call that

2641
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,800
inductive coupling it's a coupling that

2642
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:42,960
occurs between the environment and the

2643
01:43:47,540 --> 01:43:45,090
individual of that inductive coupling

2644
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:47,550
occurs they feed each other so to speak

2645
01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:49,920
it's like a it's like a back and forth

2646
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:51,630
and if it reaches a certain threshold

2647
01:43:56,750 --> 01:43:55,110
you will get physical phenomena when I

2648
01:44:00,320 --> 01:43:56,760
ask you in our next segment whether

2649
01:44:02,540 --> 01:44:00,330
mother earth therefore is causing some

2650
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:02,550
of these things to happen that raises so

2651
01:44:07,250 --> 01:44:04,500
many fascinating questions dr. Barry

2652
01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:07,260
Taff the book is called aliens above

2653
01:44:13,850 --> 01:44:09,960
ghosts below explorations of the unknown

2654
01:44:15,980 --> 01:44:13,860
and we're talking about the unknown gene

2655
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:15,990
and Chris trying to make ourselves known

2656
01:44:27,550 --> 01:44:18,510
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2657
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2658
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2659
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2660
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:40,490
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01:45:10,030 --> 01:45:08,390
again that's GC & live.com hi this is

2674
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:10,040
Ted Anderson have you ever wondered why

2675
01:45:13,870 --> 01:45:12,050
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2676
01:45:15,850 --> 01:45:13,880
won't talk about gold I raise they've

2677
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:15,860
been available since 1986 yet the

2678
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:17,690
financial industry won't recognize the

2679
01:45:21,730 --> 01:45:19,760
value of gold 4e retirement gold has

2680
01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:21,740
outperformed paper investments yet no

2681
01:45:36,330 --> 01:45:23,630
word about IRAs if you would like to

2682
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:38,020
806-853-9949

2683
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:47,820
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2684
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:52,170
standard of paranormal radio and now

2685
01:46:01,200 --> 01:45:58,960
here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

2686
01:46:03,660 --> 01:46:01,210
Chris we have dr. Barry Taff this week

2687
01:46:05,220 --> 01:46:03,670
his book is aliens above ghosts below

2688
01:46:07,290 --> 01:46:05,230
explorations of the unknown

2689
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:07,300
so Barry the question on the table here

2690
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:09,490
is mother earth partly responsible

2691
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:13,150
therefore for people acquiring or being

2692
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:16,330
infected by this stuff yes the best way

2693
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:18,370
to look at this is like your your DVD

2694
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:20,770
player the DVD you need the DVD player

2695
01:46:25,020 --> 01:46:23,110
it's got to be plugged in the wall the

2696
01:46:27,090 --> 01:46:25,030
DVD must be in the player and you have

2697
01:46:30,210 --> 01:46:27,100
the remote which has a battery in it if

2698
01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:30,220
any of those elements of the situation

2699
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:31,510
don't exist

2700
01:46:35,940 --> 01:46:33,850
nothing happens you get no image on your

2701
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:35,950
TV something like that may be occurring

2702
01:46:41,340 --> 01:46:38,560
here there's must be the environment

2703
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:41,350
must support what's going on between the

2704
01:46:45,810 --> 01:46:43,570
person their own body and their own

2705
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:45,820
psyche it's a couple with a linkage

2706
01:46:49,470 --> 01:46:47,770
between living people and the

2707
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:49,480
environment and this can be it's been

2708
01:46:55,890 --> 01:46:53,050
demonstrated again and again and again

2709
01:46:58,170 --> 01:46:55,900
it's I mean it's almost like to say this

2710
01:46:59,850 --> 01:46:58,180
it's boring we could go into a case and

2711
01:47:01,890 --> 01:46:59,860
predict what we're gonna find and it's

2712
01:47:03,570 --> 01:47:01,900
always the same place is different the

2713
01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:03,580
face is different but it's always the

2714
01:47:08,490 --> 01:47:06,580
same thing that's why chapter 7 in the

2715
01:47:10,740 --> 01:47:08,500
book when Barry Conrad met this

2716
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:10,750
beautiful girl in 2001 named Lisa

2717
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:13,330
Macintosh he met her online she came out

2718
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,010
to California they met they fell in love

2719
01:47:17,670 --> 01:47:16,960
and she moved in Barry's house and it

2720
01:47:19,290 --> 01:47:17,680
was great

2721
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,300
humilis later we went out in a first

2722
01:47:23,460 --> 01:47:21,520
case with her she kept helped us the

2723
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,470
next day phenomena began around her and

2724
01:47:28,740 --> 01:47:26,320
Barry in Barry's home okay what she

2725
01:47:30,660 --> 01:47:28,750
began admitted when she grew up she

2726
01:47:32,820 --> 01:47:30,670
moved from one hunter house to another

2727
01:47:33,570 --> 01:47:32,830
no no no that's moviemaking that's not

2728
01:47:36,660 --> 01:47:33,580
science

2729
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:36,670
that's not parapsychology he was her she

2730
01:47:39,930 --> 01:47:38,170
wouldn't let us do medical workups on

2731
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:39,940
her she was very insecure about this

2732
01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:41,650
whole bear was frightened by it it's

2733
01:47:46,620 --> 01:47:43,630
okay to go check out someone else's home

2734
01:47:48,930 --> 01:47:46,630
but not in mine okay now the other

2735
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:48,940
question therefore would be does this

2736
01:47:52,530 --> 01:47:50,650
mean that this stuff still has an

2737
01:47:55,620 --> 01:47:52,540
external reality even though it requires

2738
01:47:56,060 --> 01:47:55,630
one's personal sensitivity or being in

2739
01:47:59,060 --> 01:47:56,070
fact

2740
01:48:03,379 --> 01:47:59,070
did to generate that stuff yes it does

2741
01:48:05,899 --> 01:48:03,389
matter yes because again it's real if we

2742
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:05,909
can see the its effect in the physical

2743
01:48:11,089 --> 01:48:08,040
world you're damn right it's real the

2744
01:48:13,939 --> 01:48:11,099
question is what's the source it's again

2745
01:48:15,709 --> 01:48:13,949
the only time a DVD is relevant is when

2746
01:48:18,050 --> 01:48:15,719
you push the button on the remote and it

2747
01:48:20,330 --> 01:48:18,060
plays other than that it's a static disc

2748
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:20,340
that does nothing if you ain't if

2749
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:22,290
in the future they find DVDs they what

2750
01:48:27,140 --> 01:48:24,449
are these oh they're to cook food on a

2751
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:27,150
very flat very fragile plates but then

2752
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:30,810
we go to the UFO mystery so are UFOs

2753
01:48:37,729 --> 01:48:34,770
still possibly visitors from elsewhere

2754
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:37,739
another planet another Dominion right

2755
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,960
but I also have to echo what what Chris

2756
01:48:44,330 --> 01:48:42,480
spoke of on my show last week it's far

2757
01:48:45,470 --> 01:48:44,340
more complicated than simply beings

2758
01:48:47,810 --> 01:48:45,480
cutting it with a nuts-and-bolts

2759
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:47,820
technology we're dealing with things

2760
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:50,670
that are so far more advanced and we

2761
01:48:55,459 --> 01:48:53,130
understand we can't comprehend it it's

2762
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:55,469
like Isaac Asimov sourcing Clarke said

2763
01:48:59,120 --> 01:48:57,210
that any sufficiently advanced

2764
01:49:01,459 --> 01:48:59,130
civilizations technology would be

2765
01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:01,469
indistinguishable from magic and that's

2766
01:49:05,959 --> 01:49:03,420
the problem we're dealing with something

2767
01:49:08,060 --> 01:49:05,969
if it can traverse interstellar space in

2768
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:08,070
real time we have little in common with

2769
01:49:13,490 --> 01:49:11,130
it he can pick an effect matter energy

2770
01:49:14,839 --> 01:49:13,500
and mind and perception we have very

2771
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:14,849
little in common with other than a

2772
01:49:18,979 --> 01:49:17,130
curiosity whatever these things are

2773
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:18,989
they've been affecting very subtly

2774
01:49:23,089 --> 01:49:20,730
affecting and influencing human

2775
01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:23,099
evolution for a long time they might

2776
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:24,840
have been here before we are we might be

2777
01:49:28,399 --> 01:49:26,520
in my book talks about this in the

2778
01:49:31,819 --> 01:49:28,409
center section with deals with ufology

2779
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:31,829
in many respects we might be the result

2780
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:33,570
of the interference of another race

2781
01:49:37,729 --> 01:49:35,610
based on the data I've read and

2782
01:49:39,919 --> 01:49:37,739
collected some good sources which are

2783
01:49:42,260 --> 01:49:39,929
you know very good sources in my opinion

2784
01:49:43,729 --> 01:49:42,270
that humans as they are today might not

2785
01:49:45,709 --> 01:49:43,739
have existed without some sort of

2786
01:49:48,169 --> 01:49:45,719
intervention what I'm saying here is

2787
01:49:50,209 --> 01:49:48,179
that in teller the Airlines we might be

2788
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,219
way alien than they are intelligent

2789
01:49:54,589 --> 01:49:52,560
design is correct except that God man

2790
01:49:57,069 --> 01:49:54,599
had nothing to do with it if someone

2791
01:50:00,379 --> 01:49:57,079
made us genetically created human beings

2792
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:00,389
Homo sapiens and who created those

2793
01:50:04,399 --> 01:50:02,489
beings who created us who created them

2794
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:04,409
where does it begin where does it end

2795
01:50:09,890 --> 01:50:09,570
you know 2,000 or an animal picked up in

2796
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:09,900
a shed

2797
01:50:14,450 --> 01:50:12,330
delighted to a glowing object in the sky

2798
01:50:16,100 --> 01:50:14,460
today we call that an abduction that

2799
01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:16,110
happened 2,000 years ago was it an

2800
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:18,300
ascension I mean is it all the same

2801
01:50:24,050 --> 01:50:22,080
thing probably as we evolve our

2802
01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:24,060
terminology changes because we

2803
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:26,520
understand things differently so now of

2804
01:50:31,550 --> 01:50:29,610
course we assume it's et but maybe 50 or

2805
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:31,560
a hundred years from now we will think

2806
01:50:36,590 --> 01:50:33,540
in other terms we can't envision right

2807
01:50:38,450 --> 01:50:36,600
now just thinking of ETS as beings like

2808
01:50:41,930 --> 01:50:38,460
us what technology is is a misnomer

2809
01:50:44,270 --> 01:50:41,940
because it's far far beyond that in

2810
01:50:48,830 --> 01:50:44,280
abduction cases and alleged contact

2811
01:50:50,780 --> 01:50:48,840
contact cases as we evolved so did the

2812
01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:50,790
perception of these people onboard craft

2813
01:50:58,220 --> 01:50:56,280
UCC dials and silly gauges and then yes

2814
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:58,230
now this is the point that I've raised a

2815
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:00,480
number of times in the para cast which

2816
01:51:06,050 --> 01:51:04,320
is that the UFO entity seemed to be just

2817
01:51:09,700 --> 01:51:06,060
ahead of us in their technology

2818
01:51:12,890 --> 01:51:09,710
it keeps advancing with of course the

2819
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:12,900
encounters as we progress in technology

2820
01:51:18,020 --> 01:51:15,330
so for example there's a case going back

2821
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:18,030
to the 60s where somebody was hunting

2822
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:21,210
with bows and arrows and he was chased

2823
01:51:27,530 --> 01:51:24,960
by UFO entities and the best they had

2824
01:51:29,660 --> 01:51:27,540
was knockout gas which suggests that

2825
01:51:32,300 --> 01:51:29,670
maybe we were being you know screen

2826
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:32,310
memories we're being made to experience

2827
01:51:37,850 --> 01:51:34,170
things that are consistent with our

2828
01:51:40,700 --> 01:51:37,860
thoughts so if we imagine energy being

2829
01:51:43,130 --> 01:51:40,710
like lasers and particle beams or or

2830
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:43,140
imagine you know knock out get weird

2831
01:51:48,410 --> 01:51:46,080
they're showing us it's showing us what

2832
01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:48,420
we're expecting to see which means we

2833
01:51:53,689 --> 01:51:50,190
can trust our perception around these

2834
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:53,699
things so in the movie contact Brian one

2835
01:51:58,910 --> 01:51:55,770
with Jodie Foster based on the Carl

2836
01:52:00,890 --> 01:51:58,920
Sagan book she sees ET but he comes to

2837
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:00,900
us in the form of her late beloved

2838
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:05,130
father because he says you would not be

2839
01:52:10,459 --> 01:52:07,199
able to accept the way we really look

2840
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:10,469
right yeah the great movie I really

2841
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:12,719
enjoyed that film I own it and it's very

2842
01:52:17,149 --> 01:52:15,330
well made and it's interesting that Carl

2843
01:52:19,610 --> 01:52:17,159
Sagan started out early in his career

2844
01:52:21,110 --> 01:52:19,620
he's very much believed in ufology you

2845
01:52:23,580 --> 01:52:21,120
know in this whole phenomena and and

2846
01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:23,590
then as it became really famous he

2847
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:25,510
around because he was probably told you

2848
01:52:30,089 --> 01:52:27,520
want a career you better start talking

2849
01:52:32,220 --> 01:52:30,099
real about this and stop going along

2850
01:52:34,500 --> 01:52:32,230
with these crazy people politically

2851
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:34,510
correct to make a living yeah I mean

2852
01:52:38,729 --> 01:52:37,030
it's you know as I as we discussed on my

2853
01:52:40,050 --> 01:52:38,739
show last Wednesday with Chris Chris his

2854
01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:40,060
books are great by the way I've written

2855
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:42,280
some incredible books and and then we

2856
01:52:45,419 --> 01:52:43,690
talked about Richard Dolan who's gonna

2857
01:52:47,820 --> 01:52:45,429
be on my show in a couple of weeks and

2858
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:47,830
his book see the UFOs the national

2859
01:52:52,919 --> 01:52:50,260
security state volumes 1 & 2 are superb

2860
01:52:55,709 --> 01:52:52,929
and they really made people aware of the

2861
01:52:57,479 --> 01:52:55,719
depths the intensity but which the

2862
01:52:59,729 --> 01:52:57,489
intelligence apparatus of our country

2863
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:59,739
has been tried to manipulate social

2864
01:53:03,089 --> 01:53:01,840
consciousness to dissuade them regarding

2865
01:53:05,459 --> 01:53:03,099
the existence of UFOs

2866
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:05,469
so that follows again disclosure because

2867
01:53:10,169 --> 01:53:08,530
certainly Richard Dolan is very much

2868
01:53:12,419 --> 01:53:10,179
interested in that and Chris and I have

2869
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:12,429
been rather skeptical of disclosure

2870
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:15,250
there are obviously as a movement a lot

2871
01:53:19,379 --> 01:53:17,290
of in this country in other countries to

2872
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:19,389
get the government to reveal what we

2873
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:22,570
think they know about these subjects so

2874
01:53:28,859 --> 01:53:25,330
is any hope for that I mean you're under

2875
01:53:30,899 --> 01:53:28,869
deep NDA in deep security I wouldn't

2876
01:53:33,870 --> 01:53:30,909
okay my personal seeing that mean I

2877
01:53:35,820 --> 01:53:33,880
haven't read Rick Dolan's new book after

2878
01:53:38,399 --> 01:53:35,830
disclosure yet I'm expecting that soon

2879
01:53:40,589 --> 01:53:38,409
and but I don't agree with the fact that

2880
01:53:42,979 --> 01:53:40,599
the belief that our government or any

2881
01:53:46,350 --> 01:53:42,989
government is going to declassify and

2882
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:46,360
disclose this information my personal

2883
01:53:51,060 --> 01:53:48,489
opinion is and this is disgusting length

2884
01:53:54,169 --> 01:53:51,070
in my book it'd be the worst decision or

2885
01:53:56,879 --> 01:53:54,179
government to make for many reasons

2886
01:53:59,399 --> 01:53:56,889
modern Western governments exist on the

2887
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,409
concept of domestic tranquillity that

2888
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:01,360
means that we have there isn't chaos

2889
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:03,040
there isn't this there isn't

2890
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:05,770
fragmentation everyone has a job and

2891
01:54:09,660 --> 01:54:07,599
they live and there they don't they eat

2892
01:54:11,580 --> 01:54:09,670
food and they pay their rent and face

2893
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:11,590
and but the only thing our government

2894
01:54:17,550 --> 01:54:14,290
really cares about is come April 15th we

2895
01:54:19,649 --> 01:54:17,560
write that and check and if we suddenly

2896
01:54:22,410 --> 01:54:19,659
discover that the government is no

2897
01:54:23,970 --> 01:54:22,420
longer guard and they've been lying to

2898
01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:23,980
us about something that's profound as

2899
01:54:27,089 --> 01:54:25,599
this we stop writing our checks because

2900
01:54:28,589 --> 01:54:27,099
they don't we don't look up to the

2901
01:54:31,229 --> 01:54:28,599
minimum especially as they've been

2902
01:54:32,580 --> 01:54:31,239
manipulating us so I don't think it

2903
01:54:34,260 --> 01:54:32,590
would be a wise thing for the government

2904
01:54:36,990 --> 01:54:34,270
to disclose I mean I love to see it

2905
01:54:37,900 --> 01:54:37,000
happen I've been teaching this material

2906
01:54:39,490 --> 01:54:37,910
for dead

2907
01:54:42,130 --> 01:54:39,500
and every time we get into the holidays

2908
01:54:44,590 --> 01:54:42,140
Easter and Christmas and I discussed the

2909
01:54:47,170 --> 01:54:44,600
religious implications as ufology and

2910
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:47,180
their their profound people get really

2911
01:54:52,810 --> 01:54:50,810
upset I said look I'm just a messenger

2912
01:54:54,580 --> 01:54:52,820
I'm not saying I can prove and this is

2913
01:54:57,880 --> 01:54:54,590
what the evidence to guess or indicates

2914
01:54:59,890 --> 01:54:57,890
and if we can't get along with black and

2915
01:55:02,440 --> 01:54:59,900
white and red yellow and brown imagine

2916
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:02,450
throwing gray in the mix then imagine

2917
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:06,320
that we're suddenly told that we have an

2918
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:08,210
inconceivable past and unimaginable

2919
01:55:13,180 --> 01:55:10,690
future we're not who we think we are

2920
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,190
well it might not like dis and might

2921
01:55:18,150 --> 01:55:15,280
that not disenfranchised a human race

2922
01:55:21,190 --> 01:55:18,160
something other than God made us and

2923
01:55:24,100 --> 01:55:21,200
also maybe the et has its own prime

2924
01:55:26,170 --> 01:55:24,110
directive governing that who knows dr.

2925
01:55:36,220 --> 01:55:26,180
Barry Taff joins us with Jean and Chris

2926
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:39,010
are you ready to order the official para

2927
01:55:43,780 --> 01:55:41,810
cast t-shirt you asked we answered we're

2928
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:43,790
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keep secrets it's done so very well on a

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our government can't keep secrets as

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garbage is absolute nonsense

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I think the can of worms is so dramatic

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such thing not we're not going to be

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invaded or conquered or or you know

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eaten by aliens that's science fiction I

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think we're being observed we're being

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subtly influenced and manipulated this

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we're being played with by it and Vance

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trace to see what these little furry

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each other in fact during the first

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world war brewing the trench warfare in

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Europe in France so the Germans in in

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there shooting each other you know

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they're fighting and then more than one

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occasion the Marian apparitions

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descended and everyone freaked out drop

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their guns and ran away they came back

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strapped a gun to run away so they came

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back well let's let's see so what do we

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have to show them to make them stop

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fighting Oh throw them some money

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1917 in right before the end of World

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what was viewed as a theological event

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our Marian event if you look at the book

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some good books written recently on the

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subject matter it sounds more like a UFO

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event than a theological one then so

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this this lies in the face of modern

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theology question is is it all the same

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and I think it is I think in the end

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words I'm not gonna like what we find

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you bring up a really good point and

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I've I've had a sneaking hunch for quite

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a while now that the whole idea of the

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that we can actually conceive of and and

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almost be okay with because what I think

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is going on is that meme is being used

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to hide something infinitely more

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complex and bewildering it's kind of an

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for people to wrap their heads around

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always said that the government knows a

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lot more about this stuff than we do

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that's why they're just that much more

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confused

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knows nothing you know when they put out

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is this so then it's that no no then

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day this disinformation out are lying

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there's a faction within a faction

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x-files and remember presidents come and

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so basically you'd be saying here that

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the President does not have the need to

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know so he's not told or if he asks

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about it you know they will either

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he realizes he can't tell the truth yeah

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Nixon with a cent let alone security

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data like this you know I'm not a crook

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but where the aliens the whole thing

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let's see

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Reagan wouldn't surprise me if they told

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him but again we'll never know there was

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and they killed him we can't prove it

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you can't disprove it so what's the

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point it's like he told Marilyn Monroe

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this that's why she was killed

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it's talk about paranoia there was a

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skies my right sable very good series it

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didn't stay around very long just kept

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interesting show and very well produced

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for what it was and I really liked it

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very clever in many ways but didn't stay

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on very long because it was you know it

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thought so and they really touched upon

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a lot of these issues about the

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of us all and it was great but nothing

3154
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good nothing good seems to last then

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there were those who think that all the

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movies made on UFOs are nothing but a

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accept aliens before they contact us

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Yeah right

3160
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I don't think so it's used science

3161
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fiction for the most part there's

3162
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whatever is gonna sell yes it's all

3163
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money driven yeah I remember it you know

3164
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:14,130
at the end of when they admit they made

3165
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the UFO incident with James Earl Jones

3166
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and Estelle Parsons in the mid-70s they

3167
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were going to put a clip at the end

3168
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where the claim is that the US Air Force

3169
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had tracked who you fought to have

3170
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landed right where the hills were

3171
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abducted and the network network was

3172
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told by the intelligence community this

3173
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is what I heard I read that if this clip

3174
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airs on the show the network could have

3175
02:05:40,010 --> 02:05:37,590
their license yanked by the FCC so guess

3176
02:05:41,930 --> 02:05:40,020
what they didn't air it lazy to control

3177
02:05:43,550 --> 02:05:41,940
people with that kind of power you know

3178
02:05:45,170 --> 02:05:43,560
was gonna throw their life away and

3179
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their career way to get this data out

3180
02:05:48,830 --> 02:05:47,010
they just it's too dangerous

3181
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:48,840
we're using the public airwaves at least

3182
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:51,510
some of us are yeah but again since we

3183
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can't bring a dead alien in or a piece

3184
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of technology that's clearly non

3185
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terrestrial they don't pose a threat

3186
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Chris any more questions from the till

3187
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no boy we got a ton in the in his book

3188
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wonders in the sky Jacques Vallee wrote

3189
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with Chris avec or questioner again I

3190
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think it's both the worst says that he

3191
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recently read a historical witness

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report of a reverend who saw a luminous

3193
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globe or cloud in a field at night where

3194
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several ghost apparitions have been

3195
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reported prior which seemed to change

3196
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into something like a classical go

3197
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and when he approached it I saw

3198
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something - that ghost lights do you

3199
02:06:34,330 --> 02:06:31,670
think that there is a gray area where

3200
02:06:36,189 --> 02:06:34,340
the UFO kind of begins and then and the

3201
02:06:38,140 --> 02:06:36,199
actual apparition or ghost light leaves

3202
02:06:39,129 --> 02:06:38,150
off and is is there yeah you know

3203
02:06:42,700 --> 02:06:39,139
connectedness sir

3204
02:06:44,799 --> 02:06:42,710
yeah as you're speaking ghosts wonders

3205
02:06:48,399 --> 02:06:44,809
in the sky sitting on my coffee table so

3206
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:48,409
anyway this is he yeah it's a great book

3207
02:06:53,229 --> 02:06:51,650
um yes there is they said we know that

3208
02:06:56,979 --> 02:06:53,239
many different things to produce a

3209
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:56,989
similar result and as I said earlier a

3210
02:07:01,779 --> 02:06:59,840
lot of people who have UFO encounters

3211
02:07:03,850 --> 02:07:01,789
heee twos or threes frequently have

3212
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:03,860
paranormal fallout following it as if

3213
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the encounter alters them in a way that

3214
02:07:11,649 --> 02:07:09,590
we don't yet understand what does it

3215
02:07:14,620 --> 02:07:11,659
mean I don't know but yes we I've had

3216
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cases we had a network executive his

3217
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name and network will not be mentioned

3218
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this is in the book and he called me

3219
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this is in the 70s and late 70s and he

3220
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poltergeist activity at his home met him

3221
02:07:30,939 --> 02:07:28,969
and his wife and they were terrified and

3222
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:30,949
it seemed quite real even though we

3223
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didn't experience it it all began to end

3224
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and few months later they're taking a

3225
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trip up north in their car driving up to

3226
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the Bay Area and they saw what they

3227
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thought was a plane about to crushes at

3228
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night and they went up into the hills

3229
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and they saw this disks on the ground

3230
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these little beings one of them being

3231
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saw them aimed something that pop of

3232
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light they blacked out when they came to

3233
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they were on the road hours later their

3234
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lives tell apart they got divorced the

3235
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guy couldn't hold his job and they had

3236
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no interest in the paranormal ufology

3237
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prior to this point they have known this

3238
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is not that uncommon I mean we've heard

3239
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instances where somebody's life is

3240
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turned upside down because they have

3241
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some kind of paranormal encounter and

3242
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nothing is ever the same from then on

3243
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I'm here to say a good word or two about

3340
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the para cast which I believe is the

3341
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gold standard of paranormal radio listen

3342
02:13:00,410 --> 02:12:58,300
to it if you can with gene and Chris dr.

3343
02:13:03,479 --> 02:13:00,420
Barry Taff joining us he's author of

3344
02:13:05,459 --> 02:13:03,489
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3345
02:13:08,070 --> 02:13:05,469
of the unknown pointing out here that

3346
02:13:10,260 --> 02:13:08,080
people who have paranormal encounters

3347
02:13:12,540 --> 02:13:10,270
well sometimes it could be uplifting to

3348
02:13:15,420 --> 02:13:12,550
them but many times it destroys their

3349
02:13:17,370 --> 02:13:15,430
lives yeah I mean you know when I tell

3350
02:13:19,650 --> 02:13:17,380
the story of my ex-girlfriend that was

3351
02:13:21,090 --> 02:13:19,660
abducted right people say why didn't

3352
02:13:23,250 --> 02:13:21,100
they take me and I said I wouldn't take

3353
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:23,260
me I mean we don't know why'd certain

3354
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:25,840
people are chosen to be abducted or by

3355
02:13:30,270 --> 02:13:28,330
whom or we know we know this seems to

3356
02:13:32,610 --> 02:13:30,280
happen to certain people yet not others

3357
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:32,620
the criteria will never end well they

3358
02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:34,719
pick one for it we don't know but if

3359
02:13:39,780 --> 02:13:37,840
part of their control or manipulation is

3360
02:13:41,670 --> 02:13:39,790
to intimidation and fear I'd be the

3361
02:13:43,050 --> 02:13:41,680
worst person because I would say you're

3362
02:13:45,150 --> 02:13:43,060
not taking me back you tell me how to

3363
02:13:47,220 --> 02:13:45,160
propel this vehicle what your avionics

3364
02:13:49,050 --> 02:13:47,230
are and you know some people have asked

3365
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:49,060
me I've been following this subject for

3366
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:51,040
quite a number of years would you ever

3367
02:13:56,910 --> 02:13:53,920
like to have a UFO encounter and I have

3368
02:13:59,729 --> 02:13:56,920
a one-word response that's the same that

3369
02:14:02,459 --> 02:13:59,739
I would have given 10 20 30 years ago no

3370
02:14:04,050 --> 02:14:02,469
I do not yeah most people it doesn't

3371
02:14:05,670 --> 02:14:04,060
help your life because you start telling

3372
02:14:08,700 --> 02:14:05,680
friends and family they think you're not

3373
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:08,710
I mean I do a show for people who some

3374
02:14:12,570 --> 02:14:10,570
people think are nuts so I guess it

3375
02:14:14,190 --> 02:14:12,580
would help to be able to do that but I'm

3376
02:14:15,180 --> 02:14:14,200
not interested in having that case that

3377
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:15,190
I mean I'm never going to have a

3378
02:14:21,180 --> 02:14:18,010
paranormal encounter but maybe that

3379
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:21,190
creates negative vibes I've seen enough

3380
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:23,440
for both of us Jeanne very good I hope

3381
02:14:27,660 --> 02:14:24,250
it stays that way

3382
02:14:29,459 --> 02:14:27,670
in 1981 I had a UFO sighting over a

3383
02:14:31,680 --> 02:14:29,469
market not far from where I live here in

3384
02:14:33,630 --> 02:14:31,690
Los Angeles and never I'm a pilot I've

3385
02:14:34,590 --> 02:14:33,640
been flying since I was what 17 years

3386
02:14:35,880 --> 02:14:34,600
old

3387
02:14:38,190 --> 02:14:35,890
you know a lot about aircraft in

3388
02:14:39,960 --> 02:14:38,200
aviation and military aircraft long

3389
02:14:41,610 --> 02:14:39,970
story short I'm coming home for a

3390
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:41,620
friend's house about 11:30 it just

3391
02:14:46,110 --> 02:14:43,930
finished raining and I saw it a plane

3392
02:14:47,730 --> 02:14:46,120
about to crash into this shopping center

3393
02:14:49,470 --> 02:14:47,740
near me it's a little strip mall with

3394
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:49,480
the vaughn's market I published it in

3395
02:14:53,850 --> 02:14:51,520
the APRA bulletin actually and it looked

3396
02:14:55,470 --> 02:14:53,860
like an aircraft a fuselage but no wings

3397
02:14:58,170 --> 02:14:55,480
or tail it was hovering and you could

3398
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,180
see this gunmetal material bright these

3399
02:15:02,670 --> 02:15:00,400
rectangular windows emitting arc welders

3400
02:15:04,890 --> 02:15:02,680
blue-white light and it just made no

3401
02:15:07,290 --> 02:15:04,900
sound not a proper wash nothing it

3402
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:07,300
slowly turned and then it moved away and

3403
02:15:10,950 --> 02:15:09,250
disappeared rather quickly my parents

3404
02:15:12,540 --> 02:15:10,960
call the next day and they said did you

3405
02:15:14,130 --> 02:15:12,550
see a weird thing last night and I said

3406
02:15:15,660 --> 02:15:14,140
what did you see and they described it

3407
02:15:17,640 --> 02:15:15,670
yeah they saw what I saw but they were

3408
02:15:19,230 --> 02:15:17,650
coming in from the valley over Laurel

3409
02:15:20,850 --> 02:15:19,240
Canyon they could see it at a distance

3410
02:15:22,650 --> 02:15:20,860
and it said it looks like a plane

3411
02:15:24,330 --> 02:15:22,660
without wings and other people in

3412
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:24,340
Cheviot Hills saw the same thing at the

3413
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:26,650
same time so I don't know why I saw it I

3414
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:28,330
was right plating but I didn't have any

3415
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:30,490
missing time and got back in my car and

3416
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:32,290
I drove home and that was it I don't

3417
02:15:35,790 --> 02:15:34,330
care owed a Freeport I published it and

3418
02:15:37,410 --> 02:15:35,800
your rear end didn't hurt and you didn't

3419
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:37,420
have scoop marks and no strings

3420
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:40,000
transmitters beaming signals out of your

3421
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:43,360
arm no but you know it's sort of like I

3422
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:45,490
met a girl a couple years ago online we

3423
02:15:49,140 --> 02:15:47,050
went out a few times it didn't work

3424
02:15:50,940 --> 02:15:49,150
because she was an alcoholic but she

3425
02:15:52,530 --> 02:15:50,950
said well if I look like your girlfriend

3426
02:15:56,220 --> 02:15:52,540
well I'd be abducted I said how the hell

3427
02:15:57,720 --> 02:15:56,230
should I know I said no I think your

3428
02:15:59,010 --> 02:15:57,730
brains already been abducted that's the

3429
02:16:01,620 --> 02:15:59,020
problem

3430
02:16:03,630 --> 02:16:01,630
my life is peppered throughout the book

3431
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:03,640
some stories about some strange people

3432
02:16:08,220 --> 02:16:05,770
I've encountered over the years like I

3433
02:16:10,020 --> 02:16:08,230
said it's never the jokes don't stop

3434
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:10,030
because if I had a dollar for every

3435
02:16:14,490 --> 02:16:11,920
crazy person I met I'd be really wealthy

3436
02:16:16,410 --> 02:16:14,500
and it was a lot of money and you know a

3437
02:16:19,500 --> 02:16:16,420
lot of nice normal people but and every

3438
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:19,510
so often crazy ones and in fact in one

3439
02:16:24,540 --> 02:16:22,930
of the stories I bumped into a girl old

3440
02:16:26,730 --> 02:16:24,550
girlfriend back in the late night I was

3441
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:26,740
giving a lecture in Anaheim at a place

3442
02:16:28,740 --> 02:16:28,210
an old girlfriend was there showed up

3443
02:16:31,050 --> 02:16:28,750
she looked great

3444
02:16:34,560 --> 02:16:31,060
no lines no wrinkles no fat and seen her

3445
02:16:35,790 --> 02:16:34,570
like 25 years Wow so couple a couple of

3446
02:16:37,980 --> 02:16:35,800
months later she showed up at my home

3447
02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:37,990
and I didn't let her in I was about to

3448
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,330
leave and she said she needs my help I

3449
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:42,639
said with what she does well yeah you

3450
02:16:46,830 --> 02:16:44,110
have to help make her with what her name

3451
02:16:48,450 --> 02:16:46,840
was Linda well she's the that alien

3452
02:16:50,730 --> 02:16:48,460
demonic alien beans

3453
02:16:52,770 --> 02:16:50,740
conspire with the CIA and the FBI what

3454
02:16:55,469 --> 02:16:52,780
stopped well you have to help me and

3455
02:16:58,589 --> 02:16:55,479
Jesus Christ are gonna stop and he goes

3456
02:17:00,480 --> 02:16:58,599
out look stop I said she talked she

3457
02:17:01,950 --> 02:17:00,490
sounded suicidal I said look Linda you

3458
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:01,960
need psychiatric intervention

3459
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:04,450
he sounds suicidal um you need you need

3460
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:06,610
assistance and she kept calling me and

3461
02:17:11,640 --> 02:17:10,090
calling me it stopped and then weeks

3462
02:17:12,450 --> 02:17:11,650
later something compelled her to walk in

3463
02:17:14,940 --> 02:17:12,460
front of the car

3464
02:17:16,440 --> 02:17:14,950
she was hurt but not killed they kept

3465
02:17:18,570 --> 02:17:16,450
her first few days let her go

3466
02:17:20,190 --> 02:17:18,580
come please later the same thing they

3467
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:20,200
let her go thank God she wasn't killed

3468
02:17:24,209 --> 02:17:22,719
anyway she kept calling me with a look I

3469
02:17:25,469 --> 02:17:24,219
said I'm not interested in what you're

3470
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:25,479
talking you sound like you're psychotic

3471
02:17:31,230 --> 02:17:29,200
and but early oh wait about this time

3472
02:17:33,089 --> 02:17:31,240
four years ago she call us she goes the

3473
02:17:35,339 --> 02:17:33,099
earth is about to explode and I said I

3474
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:35,349
can't pass up this opportunity said

3475
02:17:40,350 --> 02:17:37,210
member her name's Linda if you excuse me

3476
02:17:42,930 --> 02:17:40,360
Laura I've got a sick baby kal-el off to

3477
02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:42,940
his little home before Krypton explodes

3478
02:17:47,219 --> 02:17:44,650
you're insane I hung up the phone and

3479
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:47,229
that's unfortunately happens to me way

3480
02:17:52,940 --> 02:17:51,130
too often your life being programmed by

3481
02:17:56,310 --> 02:17:52,950
the media and it I I think

3482
02:18:00,060 --> 02:17:56,320
fantasy creation is at an all-time high

3483
02:18:05,730 --> 02:18:00,070
in this room yeah it was and then

3484
02:18:08,459 --> 02:18:05,740
another crazy person I met her 19 1989

3485
02:18:11,370 --> 02:18:08,469
and a MUFON support group we had here in

3486
02:18:13,530 --> 02:18:11,380
Los Angeles and she talked about her

3487
02:18:15,690 --> 02:18:13,540
case of abduction she sounded like she

3488
02:18:17,549 --> 02:18:15,700
was severely disturbed nothing

3489
02:18:19,620 --> 02:18:17,559
paranormal going on are you logical at

3490
02:18:22,049 --> 02:18:19,630
all I thanked her and then a couple

3491
02:18:24,330 --> 02:18:22,059
years later I'm online and she posted a

3492
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:24,340
blog about me saying that she knew

3493
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:26,170
instantly upon meeting me that was

3494
02:18:30,570 --> 02:18:28,210
sneaky and underhanded ago okay that's

3495
02:18:33,390 --> 02:18:30,580
interesting and I instantly hypnotized

3496
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:33,400
her and then I went home and used

3497
02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:35,650
psychotronic weapons I have hid in my

3498
02:18:38,820 --> 02:18:36,370
basement

3499
02:18:40,440 --> 02:18:38,830
to direct evil entities to attack and

3500
02:18:43,049 --> 02:18:40,450
rape her as she walked the street walked

3501
02:18:45,089 --> 02:18:43,059
up and down streets or drove and I used

3502
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:45,099
her as the basis for the entity case and

3503
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:47,530
I would what the wait the enemy case is

3504
02:18:52,259 --> 02:18:49,690
seventy four to five the book came out

3505
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:52,269
seventy eight nine mu came out 83 I met

3506
02:18:58,320 --> 02:18:55,210
her in 89 so that means what has to be

3507
02:19:01,560 --> 02:18:58,330
retroactive but she missing something

3508
02:19:02,569 --> 02:19:01,570
here yeah like a brain and this is what

3509
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:02,579
I keep running into

3510
02:19:08,699 --> 02:19:06,489
and it was very depressing but well

3511
02:19:13,559 --> 02:19:08,709
where do you see this whole field going

3512
02:19:15,449 --> 02:19:13,569
I mean is there any hope nowhere and did

3513
02:19:17,879 --> 02:19:15,459
that the biggest damage is being done

3514
02:19:20,279 --> 02:19:17,889
but the reality shows on this subject

3515
02:19:22,319 --> 02:19:20,289
there there misinforming the public not

3516
02:19:24,209 --> 02:19:22,329
dis informing the public they're missing

3517
02:19:27,209 --> 02:19:24,219
from the public to entertain them and

3518
02:19:28,769 --> 02:19:27,219
the bottom line is this if a person

3519
02:19:30,599 --> 02:19:28,779
doesn't know the physical world around

3520
02:19:32,609 --> 02:19:30,609
them works and most people don't because

3521
02:19:34,439 --> 02:19:32,619
that's not the reason they haven't been

3522
02:19:35,759 --> 02:19:34,449
educated in that level then how could

3523
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:35,769
they know what exists beyond its

3524
02:19:39,689 --> 02:19:38,170
boundaries and that's where P so they

3525
02:19:41,819 --> 02:19:39,699
all that sounds interesting and they

3526
02:19:44,009 --> 02:19:41,829
feel these stupid shows and they buy all

3527
02:19:45,389 --> 02:19:44,019
these stupid products and they believe

3528
02:19:47,549 --> 02:19:45,399
what they're seeing is real and what

3529
02:19:49,819 --> 02:19:47,559
they're seeing is fantasy made to

3530
02:19:52,769 --> 02:19:49,829
entertain people who don't read or write

3531
02:19:55,500 --> 02:19:52,779
so that's the problem they want the

3532
02:19:57,870 --> 02:19:55,510
ratings they can sell the ants that's

3533
02:20:00,929 --> 02:19:57,880
alright that's it that's all

3534
02:20:02,819 --> 02:20:00,939
it's you know I mean 30 years ago these

3535
02:20:05,239 --> 02:20:02,829
shows total laughs you're not gonna put

3536
02:20:08,130 --> 02:20:05,249
this crap on and the formula is the same

3537
02:20:10,649 --> 02:20:08,140
for every show the basic it's a

3538
02:20:12,809 --> 02:20:10,659
formulaic and you know it's it's a joke

3539
02:20:14,729 --> 02:20:12,819
I remember a lot of these shows have

3540
02:20:16,500 --> 02:20:14,739
approached me early on and they said you

3541
02:20:17,300 --> 02:20:16,510
couldn't pay me enough money to do this

3542
02:20:21,809 --> 02:20:17,310
stuff

3543
02:20:25,109 --> 02:20:21,819
survival aversion 4000 pardon survivor

3544
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:25,119
version 4000 yeah exactly you know it's

3545
02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:27,520
just it's very depressing and so I think

3546
02:20:31,769 --> 02:20:29,890
that you know eventually this stuff will

3547
02:20:34,920 --> 02:20:31,779
die out because it'll just get boring

3548
02:20:36,090 --> 02:20:34,930
how many ways can you serve a steak you

3549
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:36,100
know or how many ways can you make

3550
02:20:42,090 --> 02:20:38,170
spaghetti eventually you keep it's the

3551
02:20:44,790 --> 02:20:42,100
same thing over and over so that I don't

3552
02:20:47,069 --> 02:20:44,800
think anything's gonna change the media

3553
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:47,079
or people's understanding if they're not

3554
02:20:49,769 --> 02:20:48,399
willing to read and they don't give a

3555
02:20:51,870 --> 02:20:49,779
damn you know that's the problem they

3556
02:20:54,120 --> 02:20:51,880
were almost apathetic they believe what

3557
02:20:56,460 --> 02:20:54,130
they see and that's it and they probably

3558
02:20:58,910 --> 02:20:56,470
believe that these reality shows are

3559
02:21:01,529 --> 02:20:58,920
real right exactly

3560
02:21:04,019 --> 02:21:01,539
well and as a direct result we also get

3561
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:04,029
you know the scientific community

3562
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:06,010
becomes more and more entrenched away

3563
02:21:10,559 --> 02:21:08,319
from studying these subjects because of

3564
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:10,569
what the media is doing right it's

3565
02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:12,489
they're they're negatively conditioning

3566
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:14,560
scientists to even get near this because

3567
02:21:18,660 --> 02:21:16,000
they realize it's for the most

3568
02:21:20,850 --> 02:21:18,670
it's crap it's garbage and you know I

3569
02:21:23,340 --> 02:21:20,860
mean also if you're in academia you're a

3570
02:21:25,470 --> 02:21:23,350
professor at history or physics or in

3571
02:21:27,420 --> 02:21:25,480
chem engineering or chemistry or or

3572
02:21:29,730 --> 02:21:27,430
astronomy you get into all of this stuff

3573
02:21:31,890 --> 02:21:29,740
your career is over this is my job

3574
02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:31,900
yeah you lose your job and then how do

3575
02:21:35,100 --> 02:21:33,520
you support yourself how do you take

3576
02:21:37,590 --> 02:21:35,110
care of him pay rent and buy food and

3577
02:21:39,420 --> 02:21:37,600
drive and you know got a family you know

3578
02:21:41,490 --> 02:21:39,430
what's gonna throw that away and I mean

3579
02:21:42,930 --> 02:21:41,500
when I was at UCLA it was politically

3580
02:21:45,450 --> 02:21:42,940
incorrect to be involved with that so

3581
02:21:47,370 --> 02:21:45,460
that was decades ago nowadays it's a

3582
02:21:49,410 --> 02:21:47,380
hundred times maybe a thousand times

3583
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:49,420
worse than they would if I was still if

3584
02:21:54,570 --> 02:21:52,090
I was an academic a professor like UCLA

3585
02:21:56,370 --> 02:21:54,580
USC I would have lost my job a long time

3586
02:21:58,560 --> 02:21:56,380
ago this would have been a little bit

3587
02:22:00,210 --> 02:21:58,570
fired immediately if you have a comment

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[Music]

3695
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but we're gonna keep our jobs because

3696
02:27:02,160 --> 02:26:59,710
we're in the para cast with gene and

3697
02:27:05,250 --> 02:27:02,170
Chris and dr. Barry Taff Barry were on

3698
02:27:07,410 --> 02:27:05,260
the final segment here and we like to

3699
02:27:08,341 --> 02:27:07,420
kind of sum things up we have questions

3700
02:27:10,261 --> 02:27:08,351
we didn't ask you

3701
02:27:11,940 --> 02:27:10,271
we're gonna hold them for another

3702
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:11,950
episode cuz we want you back and

3703
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therefore you'll probably have to have

3704
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Chris back you know that's how great

3705
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okay well we cast a crisp 8 but what I

3706
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wouldn't be on the show

3707
02:27:22,950 --> 02:27:19,990
well that's what we have to thank Chris

3708
02:27:26,850 --> 02:27:22,960
and thank for your presence but okay so

3709
02:27:28,350 --> 02:27:26,860
trying to move to the end game here the

3710
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:28,360
government is going to keep its secret

3711
02:27:33,091 --> 02:27:30,250
no matter what we do we can't change

3712
02:27:35,220 --> 02:27:33,101
that can we well it's less we go through

3713
02:27:36,630 --> 02:27:35,230
a major upheaval in the government let's

3714
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say there's a major depression that

3715
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makes 29 1929 was like a cakewalk

3716
02:27:44,220 --> 02:27:41,920
somebody already got close to that we

3717
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may already we may be closing in on it

3718
02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:46,900
right now with gas prices got mean I'm

3719
02:27:51,450 --> 02:27:48,880
just waiting for the word depression to

3720
02:27:53,070 --> 02:27:51,460
be used it's gas prices they expect gas

3721
02:27:55,650 --> 02:27:53,080
prices by the end of the year to be

3722
02:27:57,450 --> 02:27:55,660
maybe up to 550 a gallon or six but it

3723
02:27:59,700 --> 02:27:57,460
doesn't always work out that way they

3724
02:28:01,560 --> 02:27:59,710
say they expect they expect and then the

3725
02:28:03,030 --> 02:28:01,570
oil speculators decide well it's not so

3726
02:28:05,160 --> 02:28:03,040
bad we'll start cutting the price

3727
02:28:07,591 --> 02:28:05,170
because people are using gas less

3728
02:28:09,660 --> 02:28:07,601
they're using gas less we want to sell

3729
02:28:11,310 --> 02:28:09,670
more we've got to cut the prices yeah

3730
02:28:13,530 --> 02:28:11,320
but then the greed cake Center they go

3731
02:28:15,630 --> 02:28:13,540
nuts but anyway um I don't see a lot of

3732
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:15,640
change occurring because there's no

3733
02:28:20,370 --> 02:28:18,640
money to do real good research and if

3734
02:28:22,680 --> 02:28:20,380
there was money it might be squandered

3735
02:28:24,810 --> 02:28:22,690
in the wrong areas people would no

3736
02:28:26,730 --> 02:28:24,820
questions to ask the wrong people are

3737
02:28:29,910 --> 02:28:26,740
doing the work because a lot of people

3738
02:28:31,950 --> 02:28:29,920
instead of forging forwards looking for

3739
02:28:33,630 --> 02:28:31,960
new data they're trying to just

3740
02:28:35,551 --> 02:28:33,640
replicate the same thing over and over

3741
02:28:38,780 --> 02:28:35,561
over and over we've been doing that and

3742
02:28:41,430 --> 02:28:38,790
we've gone nowhere basically when I see

3743
02:28:43,620 --> 02:28:41,440
various publications on UFOs and

3744
02:28:46,980 --> 02:28:43,630
articles I think you know you could have

3745
02:28:50,130 --> 02:28:46,990
written this in 1955 what I mean I've

3746
02:28:51,780 --> 02:28:50,140
been reading UFO magazine I used to buy

3747
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:51,790
published in it back in the 80s and

3748
02:28:55,500 --> 02:28:53,920
early 90s and now it's

3749
02:28:56,969 --> 02:28:55,510
basically entertainment a lot of the

3750
02:28:59,070 --> 02:28:56,979
stories there's some good writers but

3751
02:29:01,920 --> 02:28:59,080
UFO magazine you're talking about the

3752
02:29:04,440 --> 02:29:01,930
one that was started by Vicki and Vicki

3753
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:04,450
and Donn yeah sure you're the guy who

3754
02:29:11,100 --> 02:29:08,170
sold it to Bill burns no no no no no I

3755
02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:11,110
wrote for the magazine in the 80s and

3756
02:29:16,020 --> 02:29:14,290
early 90s and then I stopped because the

3757
02:29:17,790 --> 02:29:16,030
magazine became more entertainment

3758
02:29:19,650 --> 02:29:17,800
oriented which I'm not interested in as

3759
02:29:21,870 --> 02:29:19,660
far as writing right entertainment will

3760
02:29:23,969 --> 02:29:21,880
be scripts it won't be silly stories for

3761
02:29:26,250 --> 02:29:23,979
a magazine and then now it's bill burns

3762
02:29:28,050 --> 02:29:26,260
and I mean I met I talked to Bill a few

3763
02:29:30,330 --> 02:29:28,060
times seems like a nice guy and he's

3764
02:29:32,340 --> 02:29:30,340
very passionate and has strong feelings

3765
02:29:34,110 --> 02:29:32,350
about what he's doing and you offer for

3766
02:29:36,390 --> 02:29:34,120
hundreds was not that bad it was very

3767
02:29:37,770 --> 02:29:36,400
for someone who knows nothing about the

3768
02:29:39,630 --> 02:29:37,780
field it was very entertaining and

3769
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,640
informative except of course when you

3770
02:29:43,620 --> 02:29:41,680
have situations like Chris where they

3771
02:29:45,570 --> 02:29:43,630
take events that occurred in one slide

3772
02:29:47,580 --> 02:29:45,580
with them in another of course yeah

3773
02:29:49,110 --> 02:29:47,590
exactly you know unfortunately that

3774
02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:49,120
happens without with all of us with

3775
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:51,010
their the shows trying to make a point

3776
02:29:54,810 --> 02:29:52,810
and they're making a point it looks like

3777
02:29:55,380 --> 02:29:54,820
their heads coming to a point it's very

3778
02:29:57,150 --> 02:29:55,390
sad

3779
02:30:00,390 --> 02:29:57,160
that's why I don't appear on many shows

3780
02:30:02,580 --> 02:30:00,400
because you know they want to use me for

3781
02:30:04,380 --> 02:30:02,590
their own reasons and I won't conform to

3782
02:30:06,750 --> 02:30:04,390
their their needs or their or their

3783
02:30:09,270 --> 02:30:06,760
demands so but I mean all a lot of these

3784
02:30:11,610 --> 02:30:09,280
shows are pure entertainment they're not

3785
02:30:13,679 --> 02:30:11,620
dissing forming as much as misinforming

3786
02:30:15,929 --> 02:30:13,689
to make a point now that's the big

3787
02:30:18,540 --> 02:30:15,939
question here is that done deliberately

3788
02:30:20,880 --> 02:30:18,550
because someone wants that to happen or

3789
02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:20,890
it's done because they don't clear the

3790
02:30:23,880 --> 02:30:22,330
ladder I don't think they give a damn in

3791
02:30:25,350 --> 02:30:23,890
the end they're just another show they

3792
02:30:26,730 --> 02:30:25,360
make it sure to get ratings to stay in

3793
02:30:28,890 --> 02:30:26,740
the air that's it

3794
02:30:30,870 --> 02:30:28,900
so facts be damned yeah you know

3795
02:30:32,490 --> 02:30:30,880
speaking of disinformation the book that

3796
02:30:35,610 --> 02:30:32,500
came out last year from Hannah Jacobs

3797
02:30:37,140 --> 02:30:35,620
said an area 51 Declassified I mean it

3798
02:30:39,240 --> 02:30:37,150
was it's a bunch a big one of the

3799
02:30:41,310 --> 02:30:39,250
biggest disinformation ploys I've seen

3800
02:30:43,650 --> 02:30:41,320
in my life now we all know about the

3801
02:30:45,240 --> 02:30:43,660
stuff about Roswell yeah okay what else

3802
02:30:47,340 --> 02:30:45,250
was this information about that book

3803
02:30:49,290 --> 02:30:47,350
whispers well I mean when she talked

3804
02:30:51,179 --> 02:30:49,300
about area 51 regarding all the black

3805
02:30:53,010 --> 02:30:51,189
projects you know the military

3806
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:53,020
technology that was very factual but

3807
02:30:56,969 --> 02:30:54,610
most of it was already known by most

3808
02:30:59,190 --> 02:30:56,979
people in the area but then she

3809
02:31:01,320 --> 02:30:59,200
described Roswell that the Russians did

3810
02:31:02,940 --> 02:31:01,330
it and that Mengele worked with the

3811
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:02,950
Russians after World War two and he

3812
02:31:07,050 --> 02:31:05,050
modified some kids to make it look like

3813
02:31:07,400 --> 02:31:07,060
aliens or they crashed a vehicle into

3814
02:31:09,800 --> 02:31:07,410
death

3815
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:09,810
try to panic like Orson Welles broadcast

3816
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:12,240
that is the most absurd thing I've ever

3817
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:14,640
read I mean it was really different it

3818
02:31:19,010 --> 02:31:17,010
was not covered in mainstream media yeah

3819
02:31:21,050 --> 02:31:19,020
you know why because they dedicated

3820
02:31:23,150 --> 02:31:21,060
three hour block of time on it on the

3821
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:23,160
National Geographic Channel and she was

3822
02:31:28,429 --> 02:31:26,160
on every talk show everything now who's

3823
02:31:30,679 --> 02:31:28,439
ever heard of her the book vanished well

3824
02:31:32,719 --> 02:31:30,689
yeah she got her 15 minutes of fame and

3825
02:31:34,810 --> 02:31:32,729
it's gone well I guess they put the

3826
02:31:38,270 --> 02:31:34,820
Roswell thing in there this has been my

3827
02:31:39,620 --> 02:31:38,280
assumption to get ratings on the TV

3828
02:31:42,950 --> 02:31:39,630
shows when she goes on there there was

3829
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:42,960
no roswell mention would anyone care or

3830
02:31:48,620 --> 02:31:45,840
you're right but it's more disturbing

3831
02:31:50,179 --> 02:31:48,630
more insidious is it seems like least

3832
02:31:52,010 --> 02:31:50,189
from last summer when the book came out

3833
02:31:53,929 --> 02:31:52,020
there was a tremendous push to

3834
02:31:56,540 --> 02:31:53,939
coordinating on the launch of the book

3835
02:31:58,910 --> 02:31:56,550
with a three-hour time block on National

3836
02:32:01,219 --> 02:31:58,920
Geographic Channel this is to me pure

3837
02:32:04,130 --> 02:32:01,229
disinformation what are they trying to

3838
02:32:06,020 --> 02:32:04,140
just make us look away from now why are

3839
02:32:10,219 --> 02:32:06,030
they doing this now it's not just a

3840
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:10,229
doing it why now so question is timing

3841
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:14,010
more than disinformation timing so what

3842
02:32:17,420 --> 02:32:15,210
is it we're not supposed to be paying

3843
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:17,430
attention to now okay that's an

3844
02:32:21,560 --> 02:32:19,050
interesting question one way you should

3845
02:32:23,810 --> 02:32:21,570
explore very briefly here okay so let's

3846
02:32:26,300 --> 02:32:23,820
look what the government says let's look

3847
02:32:29,090 --> 02:32:26,310
at prevailing wisdoms and UFO research

3848
02:32:32,780 --> 02:32:29,100
paranormal research where are we being

3849
02:32:35,240 --> 02:32:32,790
misdirected from well misdirected so I

3850
02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:35,250
guess with chocolate we've been

3851
02:32:40,820 --> 02:32:38,970
conditioned to not to read anything

3852
02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:40,830
written by anyone with any credentials

3853
02:32:46,250 --> 02:32:43,439
were basically taught to listen to

3854
02:32:48,260 --> 02:32:46,260
people who are on television babbling

3855
02:32:51,740 --> 02:32:48,270
nonsense that's that's why these shows

3856
02:32:54,590 --> 02:32:51,750
are so popular it's again it's like

3857
02:32:56,150 --> 02:32:54,600
going to a be sci-fi or horror movie who

3858
02:32:57,860 --> 02:32:56,160
cares you just given the kids some

3859
02:32:59,270 --> 02:32:57,870
weight give them a way to spend a couple

3860
02:33:00,410 --> 02:32:59,280
hours of time on a Saturday so they

3861
02:33:03,170 --> 02:33:00,420
don't run around and get hurt in the

3862
02:33:06,290 --> 02:33:03,180
street we're being distracted but from

3863
02:33:08,300 --> 02:33:06,300
what is it that the the economy is the

3864
02:33:10,850 --> 02:33:08,310
world economy is collapsing this is a

3865
02:33:13,850 --> 02:33:10,860
way to distract us I don't know but this

3866
02:33:15,620 --> 02:33:13,860
information is about distraction leading

3867
02:33:17,960 --> 02:33:15,630
you to make you think something else is

3868
02:33:20,090 --> 02:33:17,970
happening for a certain reason well I

3869
02:33:21,140 --> 02:33:20,100
can understand part of the government

3870
02:33:24,171 --> 02:33:21,150
reason Ferguson for

3871
02:33:27,110 --> 02:33:24,181
Sonia Balaji because it's the the can

3872
02:33:29,060 --> 02:33:27,120
look like I said the the can of worms it

3873
02:33:32,001 --> 02:33:29,070
could just could decimate Western

3874
02:33:34,131 --> 02:33:32,011
civilization with the paranormal is that

3875
02:33:36,711 --> 02:33:34,141
we gain too much power for what we know

3876
02:33:38,841 --> 02:33:36,721
and it's better that were kept stupid

3877
02:33:40,820 --> 02:33:38,851
because if we buy any other products

3878
02:33:43,610 --> 02:33:40,830
that are advertised on television I mean

3879
02:33:46,551 --> 02:33:43,620
it's like when you look at when they do

3880
02:33:49,100 --> 02:33:46,561
these shows re describing why the

3881
02:33:51,470 --> 02:33:49,110
Kennedy assassination was done with with

3882
02:33:53,001 --> 02:33:51,480
one shooter and when his head went back

3883
02:33:54,831 --> 02:33:53,011
at the end it only looked like it was

3884
02:33:56,930 --> 02:33:54,841
going back it's an illusion so how many

3885
02:33:58,940 --> 02:33:56,940
ways can they create a lie to make you

3886
02:34:01,041 --> 02:33:58,950
think something that isn't real Israel

3887
02:34:02,720 --> 02:34:01,051
it's a joke I'll tell you I remember

3888
02:34:05,331 --> 02:34:02,730
with the kind of the assassination when

3889
02:34:08,030 --> 02:34:05,341
I was a teenager and this was some years

3890
02:34:10,100 --> 02:34:08,040
after the event where I would attend

3891
02:34:13,400 --> 02:34:10,110
lectures by a New York State Assemblyman

3892
02:34:15,770 --> 02:34:13,410
mark Lane oh yeah where he was just

3893
02:34:18,051 --> 02:34:15,780
ripping it apart and looked to me so

3894
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:18,061
obvious how can we assume it's the

3895
02:34:21,320 --> 02:34:19,530
single gunman where he's showing look

3896
02:34:23,541 --> 02:34:21,330
the rifle can work the way it should

3897
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:23,551
although some people claim it can we had

3898
02:34:28,160 --> 02:34:26,460
Jesse Ventura on the para cast last year

3899
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:28,170
and he was going into the same thing

3900
02:34:33,740 --> 02:34:31,290
Kris jesse is an entertainer mm-hmm

3901
02:34:36,650 --> 02:34:33,750
right which is why I know she didn't

3902
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:36,660
comment or add to that no no the the

3903
02:34:40,820 --> 02:34:39,210
whole the whole thing is most of the

3904
02:34:42,261 --> 02:34:40,830
things done for television are done for

3905
02:34:44,030 --> 02:34:42,271
entertainment it's that's it there's

3906
02:34:45,740 --> 02:34:44,040
they're not trying to inform you they're

3907
02:34:48,261 --> 02:34:45,750
trying to keep you glued to the screen

3908
02:34:51,440 --> 02:34:48,271
so you watch the sponsors products being

3909
02:34:53,001 --> 02:34:51,450
advertised I mean that's it you know you

3910
02:34:54,801 --> 02:34:53,011
realize that the new network about to

3911
02:34:58,610 --> 02:34:54,811
premiere on cable called the dog channel

3912
02:35:00,711 --> 02:34:58,620
and it's designing sauce yeah it's

3913
02:35:07,011 --> 02:35:00,721
designed for dogs to watch from the left

3914
02:35:08,961 --> 02:35:07,021
home alone last week

3915
02:35:10,820 --> 02:35:08,971
okay those they're running out of ideas

3916
02:35:12,650 --> 02:35:10,830
for channels before we run out of ideas

3917
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:12,660
because we're about to run out of time

3918
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:16,650
the book aliens ghosts below tell our

3919
02:35:20,900 --> 02:35:18,240
listeners where they can get a copy you

3920
02:35:24,700 --> 02:35:20,910
could get at Amazon you can get it at

3921
02:35:26,961 --> 02:35:24,710
Barnes & Noble or you can go to

3922
02:35:29,180 --> 02:35:26,971
www.petland.com

3923
02:35:31,940 --> 02:35:29,190
any of those locations you can order the

3924
02:35:32,841 --> 02:35:31,950
book through and I can guarantee you it

3925
02:35:34,670 --> 02:35:32,851
might freak you out

3926
02:35:37,610 --> 02:35:34,680
it makes making me very

3927
02:35:39,469 --> 02:35:37,620
make unnerved it might frighten you it

3928
02:35:41,479 --> 02:35:39,479
might make you mad but it won't bore you

3929
02:35:43,519 --> 02:35:41,489
it's certainly not gonna bore you

3930
02:35:45,019 --> 02:35:43,529
because it's very educational I'm

3931
02:35:46,460 --> 02:35:45,029
enjoying it immensely and I highly

3932
02:35:47,809 --> 02:35:46,470
recommend it to all the para cast

3933
02:35:50,120 --> 02:35:47,819
listeners out there this is the real

3934
02:35:52,160 --> 02:35:50,130
stuff Barry where can we find more of

3935
02:35:55,939 --> 02:35:52,170
your stuff other than the book my

3936
02:35:59,210 --> 02:35:55,949
website is barry taff net I've got about

3937
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:59,220
46 or 47 blogs mostly mine of youth from

3938
02:36:03,469 --> 02:36:00,960
friends and colleagues that worked with

3939
02:36:05,960 --> 02:36:03,479
over time and and everything some of its

3940
02:36:09,500 --> 02:36:05,970
tie back to the book others are not some

3941
02:36:11,240 --> 02:36:09,510
related to MUFON I think for recent

3942
02:36:14,300 --> 02:36:11,250
blogs to put up by Alec Smith stretto is

3943
02:36:16,250 --> 02:36:14,310
how I actually got hold of Chris and I

3944
02:36:20,269 --> 02:36:16,260
got all the Steve Murillo came on and

3945
02:36:22,219 --> 02:36:20,279
and Ruben Uriarte which is all of them

3946
02:36:24,650 --> 02:36:22,229
were great as Chris was on the show and

3947
02:36:26,929 --> 02:36:24,660
so far so it had great people on like

3948
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:26,939
Chris and it's wonderful that makes me

3949
02:36:30,139 --> 02:36:27,930
feel good they were actually

3950
02:36:31,370 --> 02:36:30,149
communicating valid information and

3951
02:36:33,320 --> 02:36:31,380
people they could learn something and

3952
02:36:35,300 --> 02:36:33,330
you find Chris's stuff our strange

3953
02:36:37,790 --> 02:36:35,310
planet not to come that's our strange

3954
02:36:39,800 --> 02:36:37,800
planet calm barry taff thanks for

3955
02:36:54,131 --> 02:36:39,810
joining us this week i'm the para cast

3956
02:37:00,530 --> 02:36:57,650
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3957
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:00,540
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3958
02:37:07,461 --> 02:37:03,530
presentation of making the impossible